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Edit - found this article. https://www.redline360.com/garage/bm...ate-comparison The G80 Non-comp weighs 4102lbs and has 480hp. That's 8.56 lb/hp. The F80 had 8.2 lbs/hp! The G80 is the only one that has less hp per pound than the previous generation! Wow! I honestly thought it was just not going to be as big an improvement as the others, not a downgrade.
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The G8X not only weighs more, it also carries a big portion of that extra weight on the front axle. Using data from the Auto Motor und Sport test of the DCT F80 (they use accurate corner scales for their test data) and assuming the G80 press release is data accurate:
G80 -> 3,890lb -> 53.1%/46.9% -> 2,066lb/1,824lb F80 -> 3,582lb -> 52.1%/47.9% -> 1,866lb/1,716lb So the G80 weighs 308lb more and carries 200lb more weight on the front axle than the F80. No wonder they had to widen the front tires . https://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/...hnische-daten/
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Not sure if you're trying to convince yourself more than others here...
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I am trying to be as factual as possible, quoting real data sources and not trying to pick extremes.
For example, C&D weighed their 6MT M3 at 3,580lb, an actual data point, which is less than the 3,625lb you quote. A few more data points, my own personal cars put on corner weighing scales (all weighed with 95%+ fuel):
I guess we'll have to wait and see when independent publications start putting the G8X on scales. We can only hope they come out lighter than the press release numbers.
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Vehicle weights in general are quite an elusive matter since how the cars are specced can create significant variations. We are looking at ranges here. Just picking the extremes does not give an accurate depiction. My best guess right now is that the RWD G8X weighs in the range of 200~325lb more than the F8X. That is more of an increase than most generations went through (you are right the E30->E36 was quite a jump).
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I don’t agree that we can say it’s more increase than most generations at this stage. There’s a reasonable chance it’s in the middle of the pack and very normal/average. |
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Let's not try to spin the story... we all expected a 3700 lb car at most... and that is with AWD... they really porked it up.
Is the ZF 8AT heavier than the DCT? Are there any carbon fiber parts like trunk and hood? CF driveshaft? I am sure the car will be a better performer than in the past but that is a serious weight gain... and it will be felt in every day driving. Coming from my M2C, an AWD 8AT G80 would feel like a boat and probably take away from the experience. At 3800 lbs, a C63s (if you do not track the car) becomes a more reasonable option than ever. |
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I was expecting 3900-4000 for the AWD car, but looks like it may be a bit more. I think the engine will be quite underrated (real output of 550-560) but I agree you’ll feel the weight here. Given the weight and the 5 inches in length, makes the M5 a decent proposition maybe - especially given the discounts at one point were 15% plus incentives. |
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Just a smidgen below 4k lbs for the 4-door.
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https://carbuzz.com/cars/mercedes-benz/amg-c63-coupe I recall seeing ~4100 for the C63S on the official website as well. |
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In fairness, my E92 felt heavy, and I was always aware of its size - particularly at slower speeds. My F80, at roughly same weight, feels a little lighter on its feet -but also feels "big" in the mountains or lower speeds. Just gonna have to drive the G80 to know. BTW - the power to weight for the G80 is not better than everything else in the BMW lineup. The M5 is better. That doesn't necessarily make the M5 universally more desirable. Some prefer something smaller and more dynamic. Last edited by scoale; 09-26-2020 at 11:56 AM.. |
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Very similar power ouputs and weights for C63S vs G8x... |
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And that make this very interesting. Personally I put my money on M over AMG street cars any day on the track. Now with comparable weight and power the M car’s chassis advantage should shine clearer than ever...or not...drum roll
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