[kgelfen360]

Originally Posted by calbears

You can create a shortcut to the climate menu and then you're able to use the controller to get to almost everything (except temp)

I hear you but that makes multiple steps at that point just press the screen. The click down is obvious move but it doesn’t do anything.

[calbears]

Originally Posted by kgelfen360

I hear you but that makes multiple steps at that point just press the screen. The click down is obvious move but it doesn’t do anything.

that would be better. But with the shortcut, you can just use the controller. Push it up to bring down the shortcut menu, scroll, click to open, so you don't have to use the screen and can be done on the fly

[Needsdecaf]

Originally Posted by calbears

that would be better. But with the shortcut, you can just use the controller. Push it up to bring down the shortcut menu, scroll, click to open, so you don't have to use the screen
and can be done on the fly

Unless you are using Apple CarPlay. Then you have to exit to a bmw menu first (hit home) then do that. Irritating.

[calbears]

Originally Posted by Needsdecaf

Unless you are using Apple CarPlay. Then you have to exit to a bmw menu first (hit home) then do that. Irritating.

but still fairly easy to do without touching the screen while driving

[marashka]

Originally Posted by kgelfen360

My biggest complaint is that u can’t scroll into climate menu using ur idrive controller by the gear box. Why can’t u just click down and it takes u to climate. I don’t get it.

Agree its definitely an oversight in software design. But you can as mentioned above add climate control as a shortcut and with a push up on the Idrive controller you can enter climate without touching the screen.

[Art__Vandelay]

I'm honestly surprised at how often people seem to change their climate settings. I can't remember the last time I had to do anything (apart from adjusting the seat heating).

[pizza240]

Originally Posted by Art__Vandelay

I'm honestly surprised at how often people seem to change their climate settings. I can't remember the last time I had to do anything (apart from adjusting the seat heating).

It's more about being able to view & change the levels of seat heating and cooling without opening the full screen menu.

It wouldn't bother me as much if there wasn't so much loading time after hitting climate control menu. I suppose we all got used to how fast our other touch-screen devices have become, so it seems unacceptable.

It's just a bit annoying, but I can live with it.

I'm not one to change climate settings much beyond temperature, but I am constantly going into the menu to sync up the driver/passenger, or menu-diving to change the back seat to colder when the dog is in the car.

A sync shortcut button would be excellent.

[Art__Vandelay]

I have to check it the next time I'm in the car but I can't really remember any long loading times. Maybe I'm misunderstanding something, but setting the seat heating (or cooling) takes 2 seconds for me. That's why I don't quite understand why so many people are upset about it.

And I agree, buttons like before would be more convenient, but I still find the effort very low (for something that I also don't need all the time), which is why it surprises me.

[marashka]

Originally Posted by Art__Vandelay

I'm honestly surprised at how often people seem to change their climate settings. I can't remember the last time I had to do anything (apart from adjusting the seat heating).

I like to use heated seats without fan on. There is no preset for that. So each time I need to fiddle with climate controls to make that happen. Not having heated heat as a stand alone option feature / button ( like heated steering wheel) is my only real gripe with ID8.

[soflonick]

seems like a pretty big jump in raw processing power.

[Berzerker]

Originally Posted by soflonick

seems like a pretty big jump in raw processing power.

In terms of raw processing power, it does look to be quite a jump. Passmark has a slightly lower speced Snapdragon at around 4x the power as the (probable) Atom X7-A3960 that's in the HU4 that we have. Coupled with double the size NAND chip (for faster storage performance) + 50% more RAM, it's no wonder they'd want HU5 for iDrive 8.5

https://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare...s,-Inc-SM8150P

Couldn't get the exact CPUs to compare, not the end all-be-all for benchmarks, but it gives a pretty good idea.

I'd expect a good performance boost from anyone in the LCI.

[BIGW0RM]

So I just took my 22 M3 with ID7 to the dealer for service. I got a loaner with ID8. I knew I didnt like the big screen. But I was open to ID8. After using it in the loaner 3 series, I dont think I would live with that crap. TOO much disco and the layout is just horrible IMO. I feel for those who have it. No thank you.

[Berzerker]

Originally Posted by BIGW0RM

So I just took my 22 M3 with ID7 to the dealer for service. I got a loaner with ID8. I knew I didnt like the big screen. But I was open to ID8. After using it in the loaner 3 series, I dont think I would live with that crap. TOO much disco and the layout is just horrible IMO. I feel for those who have it. No thank you.

Live in Carplay/AA and you don't have to deal with it at all.

[BIGW0RM]

Originally Posted by Berzerker

Live in Carplay/AA and you don't have to deal with it at all.

I'll skip 8/8.5 and pray for a good ID9 with AI or something...lol.

[Berzerker]

Originally Posted by BIGW0RM

I'll skip 8/8.5 and pray for a good ID9 with AI or something...lol.

8.5 and 9 are the same, visually. There's just differences in screen ratio and underlying OS things, but the functionality is identical. We'd have to wait until iD10 before we get any meaningful changes.

[Needsdecaf]

Originally Posted by BIGW0RM

So I just took my 22 M3 with ID7 to the dealer for service. I got a loaner with ID8. I knew I didnt like the big screen. But I was open to ID8. After using it in the loaner 3 series, I dont think I would live with that crap. TOO much disco and the layout is just horrible IMO. I feel for those who have it. No thank you.

Funny, this is the way I feel about an iDrive 7 car. Ancient, looks old, feels old, thank god I have at least ID8.

[soflonick]

Originally Posted by Berzerker

In terms of raw processing power, it does look to be quite a jump. Passmark has a slightly lower speced Snapdragon at around 4x the power as the (probable) Atom X7-A3960 that's in the HU4 that we have. Coupled with double the size NAND chip (for faster storage performance) + 50% more RAM, it's no wonder they'd want HU5 for iDrive 8.5

https://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare...s,-Inc-SM8150P

Couldn't get the exact CPUs to compare, not the end all-be-all for benchmarks, but it gives a pretty good idea.

I'd expect a good performance boost from anyone in the LCI.

Awesome link bro. Its actually pretty massive. 1.2GHZ extra on all cores higher clock speeds will def speed things up. Plus higher ram with extra NAND is known to increase loading and when loading previous menus.

[Berzerker]

Originally Posted by soflonick

Awesome link bro. Its actually pretty massive. 1.2GHZ extra on all cores higher clock speeds will def speed things up. Plus higher ram with extra NAND is known to increase loading and when loading previous menus.

You can't just look at core performance and make a judgement call. This is an x86 chip compared with an ARM chip, clock speed is basically irrelevant. That's why I looked it up on passmark, which is completely synthetic and doesn't give an accurate representation of comparison, but it at least gives you a starting point/general idea.

[soflonick]

Originally Posted by Berzerker

You can't just look at core performance and make a judgement call. This is an x86 chip compared with an ARM chip, clock speed is basically irrelevant. That's why I looked it up on passmark, which is completely synthetic and doesn't give an accurate representation of comparison, but it at least gives you a starting point/general idea.

True but intel atom chips are known to be some of the worst chips intel have created.

Heres some specs i found in raw power
QUALCOM
Integer Math 27,801 MOps/Sec
Floating Point Math 10,507 MOps/Sec
Find Prime Numbers 15 Million Primes/Sec
Random String Sorting 13,064 Thousand Strings/Sec
Data Encryption 2,021 MBytes/Sec
Data Compression 79,736 KBytes/Sec
Physics 335 Frames/Sec
Extended Instructions 1,829 Million Matrices/Sec
Single Thread 1,914 MOps/Sec.


INTEL ATOM

Integer Math 6,684 MOps/Sec
Floating Point Math 1,495 MOps/Sec
Find Prime Numbers 5 Million Primes/Sec
Random String Sorting 4,001 Thousand Strings/Sec
Data Encryption 478.0 MBytes/Sec
Data Compression 28,516 KBytes/Sec
Physics 135 Frames/Sec
Extended Instructions 613 Million Matrices/Sec
Single Thread 651 MOps/Se

So yes the core speeds in this instance has a huge benefit and like you said this is a lower spec version. The once coming up with be even faster https://www.qualcomm.com/content/dam...ctbrief_r4.pdf

[Berzerker]

Originally Posted by soflonick

True but intel atom chips are known to be some of the worst chips intel have created.

Heres some specs i found in raw power
QUALCOM
Integer Math 27,801 MOps/Sec
Floating Point Math 10,507 MOps/Sec
Find Prime Numbers 15 Million Primes/Sec
Random String Sorting 13,064 Thousand Strings/Sec
Data Encryption 2,021 MBytes/Sec
Data Compression 79,736 KBytes/Sec
Physics 335 Frames/Sec
Extended Instructions 1,829 Million Matrices/Sec
Single Thread 1,914 MOps/Sec.


INTEL ATOM

Integer Math 6,684 MOps/Sec
Floating Point Math 1,495 MOps/Sec
Find Prime Numbers 5 Million Primes/Sec
Random String Sorting 4,001 Thousand Strings/Sec
Data Encryption 478.0 MBytes/Sec
Data Compression 28,516 KBytes/Sec
Physics 135 Frames/Sec
Extended Instructions 613 Million Matrices/Sec
Single Thread 651 MOps/Se

So yes the core speeds in this instance has a huge benefit and like you said this is a lower spec version. The once coming up with be even faster https://www.qualcomm.com/content/dam...ctbrief_r4.pdf

Atoms are a line of chips that span multiple generations. The moniker "Atom" just refers to their line of mobile or embedded processors and they're actually quote good. The problem with this is it was released almost 10 years ago, while the Snapdragon being compared is much newer.

You can see a newer Atom, released around the same time as the SA8155P in HU5 actually has even double the performance with the same number of threads, and the core clocks are basically even between the two.

https://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php...+C5125&id=5091

So, you can't just directly look at core clocks and compare. These not even being different generations, but vastly different architectures (x86 vs ARM) makes them basically require benchmarks to give accurate comparisons.

[soflonick]

Originally Posted by Berzerker

Atoms are a line of chips that span multiple generations. The moniker "Atom" just refers to their line of mobile or embedded processors and they're actually quote good. The problem with this is it was released almost 10 years ago, while the Snapdragon being compared is much newer.

You can see a newer Atom, released around the same time as the SA8155P in HU5 actually has even double the performance with the same number of threads, and the core clocks are basically even between the two.

https://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php...+C5125&id=5091

So, you can't just directly look at core clocks and compare. These not even being different generations, but vastly different architectures (x86 vs ARM) makes them basically require benchmarks to give accurate comparisons.

Great points, I'm not big into whats currently out anymore like i used too. And i know intel has stepped up thier game big time. Glad too see atom is getting the some love. It used to be atom was the budget cpu of the intel line. My whole points on this thread was just to show that HU4 to HU5 is actually a pretty big deal. And that bmw is going in the right directions. One of the main reasons why automotive infotainments are such shit is they cheap out and use old chipsets. so HW5 with a modern architecture will be able to keep up & especially allow BMW to release more updated and feature changes without being constrained.

[Berzerker]

Originally Posted by soflonick

Great points, I'm not big into whats currently out anymore like i used too. And i know intel has stepped up thier game big time. Glad too see atom is getting the some love. It used to be atom was the budget cpu of the intel line. My whole points on this thread was just to show that HU4 to HU5 is actually a pretty big deal. And that bmw is going in the right directions. One of the main reasons why automotive infotainments are such shit is they cheap out and use old chipsets. so HW5 with a modern architecture will be able to keep up & especially allow BMW to release more updated and feature changes without being constrained.

Yeah I think HU5 is great also. What I don't think is great is that BMW is not offering any upgrade path for the 1-2 model years that people are stuck on a buggy slow version of the software. Would be fantastic if they offered an upgrade path.