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      04-07-2021, 01:39 PM   #1
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Both cars are impressive!

This is very short and technical track that would favor small sports car, but to think that M4 is almost as fast as Porsche 911 GT3 (991) is nothing short of amazing on such a track!

And it is 3,5 sec faster than the F80 M4!

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Both cars are impressive!

This is very short and technical track that would favor small sports car, but to think that M4 is almost as fast as Porsche 911 GT3 (991) is nothing short of amazing on such a track!

And it is 3,5 sec faster than the F80 M4!

https://fastestlaps.com/tracks/castle-combe
3.5 seconds is a lot! Damn!
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I think he's spot on with his review. I cancelled my GTS 4.0 order because on my local roads the M4 is just a better car. Straight line acceleration is something I will utilize more often day to day than the use of mid-engine, trick Porsche suspension. If I had roads with great corners to attack in my backyard, then it would be a different story.
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3.5 seconds is a lot! Damn!
Yes it is, although as always, difficult to compare. Jason Plato is a very accomplished racing driver, probably one of the best in the business in road chassis cars. Plus the G82 is on Cup2's. I bet the F82 M4 was the non ZCP on MPSS. Really would love to see back to back tests, but I guess car companies in general don't allow that with press cars.
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Yes it is, although as always, difficult to compare. Jason Plato is a very accomplished racing driver, probably one of the best in the business in road chassis cars. Plus the G82 is on Cup2's. I bet the F82 M4 was the non ZCP on MPSS. Really would love to see back to back tests, but I guess car companies in general don't allow that with press cars.
Oh for sure, so many variables! Yeah, I would love to see the standard non comp M3 go against the standard launch F80 still. Feel like they just keep throwing these cars at whatever is available from a dealer not closed from Covid.
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Yes it is, although as always, difficult to compare. Jason Plato is a very accomplished racing driver, probably one of the best in the business in road chassis cars. Plus the G82 is on Cup2's. I bet the F82 M4 was the non ZCP on MPSS. Really would love to see back to back tests, but I guess car companies in general don't allow that with press cars.
Spot on! Nevertheless, really wonder how much a stock G8x is faster than a stock F8x Competition on the same track, same conditions, by the same professional driver!
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He nails why the GT4 dynamics are so satisfying.

That's a very underwhelming time for the g82 considering all hype around its rear and grip and 'under rated' power. Really highlights the weakness of the ZF8 as well.
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Does anybody actually think those 2 cars are comparable? They're in very different segments.
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He nails why the GT4 dynamics are so satisfying.

That's a very underwhelming time for the g82 considering all hype around its rear and grip and 'under rated' power. Really highlights the weakness of the ZF8 as well.
LOL what? The GT4 is arguably the best track Porsche you can buy and it still doesn't come that far ahead of the M4. The G8x makes the F8x look downright slow in comparison. It's by far the most capable M car ever on a track.
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That the healthily-sized G82 came within a few tenths of a GT4 on a small technical track is a big accomplishment for M.

You get a much more daily-drivable car with all of the bells and whistles AND you get around a track nearly as fast as a hardcore, lightweight Porsche that costs $30-50k more. Um, win?

No surprise that those were his comments about the M4's feel going back to back with the GT4. Most will be just fine with the steering and handling of the G8x, especially coming out of the F-generation cars.
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Does anybody actually think those 2 cars are comparable? They're in very different segments.
Yes I looked at both, it's only like $10-20,000 difference but I need rear seats so the m3 is a better option for me. The justification I gave was that I spend $20,000 more and the car doesn't depreciate unlike with the bmw. I can't afford a 992 gts so until then I will go with the m3.
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LOL what? The GT4 is arguably the best track Porsche you can buy and it still doesn't come that far ahead of the M4. The G8x makes the F8x look downright slow in comparison. It's by far the most capable M car ever on a track.
The GT4 is the entry level GT car. They also produce the GT3, GT3 RS, GT2 RS, which are significantly faster.. As the reviewer points out, in the UK, both cars start at the same price.

Where is the evidence the G8x makes the f8x 'look downright slow'?
If your comparing a 2014 f8x on 255/275 PSS to a g8x on 275/285 MPSC2 that comparison doesn't tell you much.
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Does anybody actually think those 2 cars are comparable? They're in very different segments.
Yes I looked at both, it's only like $10-20,000 difference but I need rear seats so the m3 is a better option for me. The justification I gave was that I spend $20,000 more and the car doesn't depreciate unlike with the bmw. I can't afford a 992 gts so until then I will go with the m3.
A GT4 is the same price in the UK as the G82 M4 Competition (there is no base M4 available), that is why this is a popular comparison. Adding to that, unless you manage a sizeable discount on the BMW, it will cost you much more in depreciation than the Porsche.
This is the first time an M3/4 has been priced at top end of Cayman level in the UK (with similar ability to clock up high options cost), so will be interesting to see how sales shape up.

Looks to me that the 718 GTS has now taken the crown from the F80 M4 for the budget sports car, it is £10k less than the G82.
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That the healthily-sized G82 came within a few tenths of a GT4 on a small technical track is a big accomplishment for M.

You get a much more daily-drivable car with all of the bells and whistles AND you get around a track nearly as fast as a hardcore, lightweight Porsche that costs $30-50k more. Um, win?

No surprise that those were his comments about the M4's feel going back to back with the GT4. Most will be just fine with the steering and handling of the G8x, especially coming out of the F-generation cars.
Castle Combe circuit is quite a high speed track, I think the average speed for these cars is around 91mph and the clip showed the BMW hit 145 indicated. But yes still impressive for the big guy to lap that quick.

Granted not many people buy an M4 to track, but another factor in a track battle is the Porsche could probably string 10 laps together at best +3 seconds average. The G82 will be shot after 2-3 hard laps at best +3. It's too heavy which means it works it's tyres and brakes hard.
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Spot on! Nevertheless, really wonder how much a stock G8x is faster than a stock F8x Competition on the same track, same conditions, by the same professional driver!
It was around 2,2 seconds faster than the F80 M3 30 Jahre edition on Vairano Handling Course, and 3,3 sec. faster than the base M4 on the same track, but not on the same day.
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He nails why the GT4 dynamics are so satisfying.

That's a very underwhelming time for the g82 considering all hype around its rear and grip and 'under rated' power. Really highlights the weakness of the ZF8 as well.
Are you sure?

https://fastestlaps.com/tracks/castle-combe

The G82 is actually almost as fast as Porsche 911 GT3 (991) and faster than some serious sports car on this track!

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The GT4 is the entry level GT car. They also produce the GT3, GT3 RS, GT2 RS, which are significantly faster.. As the reviewer points out, in the UK, both cars start at the same price.
As you can see, on this particular track GT4 was actually faster than Porsche 911 GT3 (991)!
It is obvious that this track suits the car very well.

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Where is the evidence the G8x makes the f8x 'look downright slow'?
If your comparing a 2014 f8x on 255/275 PSS to a g8x on 275/285 MPSC2 that comparison doesn't tell you much.
https://fastestlaps.com/tracks/vairano-handling-course

On this track, the G82 with the street tires was 3,3 seconds faster than the base F82 M4, and it was around 2,2 sec. faster than F80 M3 30 Jahre edition.
And it was around 1 sec. faster than the GT4 (981), and almost as fast as GT4 (718) that was on MPSC2.

So to say that G8X was underwhelming on tracks that favor small, light sports car is downright wrong, just look at the list of super sports cars behind it

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If I wanted a light, track-focused, purpose-built sports car for less than $100k, I'd buy that (and I'd be looking at C8s, loaded Supras, and the like). I wouldn't be cross-shopping it with a large motorsport-inspired vehicle with back seats for adults based on a common 4-series chassis.

If a track-focused, purpose-built premier sports car gets beat AT THE TRACK by an M car, or a C63 or a Audi RS5, then those sports car manufacturers should be ashamed. Like Peregrine said above, the GT4 beat the GT3 around this same track, wow! Now imagine if the new M3 would have beat the GT4, or even felt like a pure sports car??? That would be some utterly amazing engineering coming from a base 4-series chassis.

I think the BMW held its own given the different mission statements of each car. That's more than enough track car for me. And again, if I need more than this, then M4 is being dropped from consideration altogether, and I'm looking at purpose-built sports cars.
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Are you sure?

https://fastestlaps.com/tracks/castle-combe

The G82 is actually almost as fast as Porsche 911 GT3 (991) and faster than some serious sports car on this track!



As you can see, on this particular track GT4 was actually faster than Porsche 911 GT3 (991)!
It is obvious that this track suits the car very well.



https://fastestlaps.com/tracks/vairano-handling-course

On this track, the G82 with the street tires was 3,3 seconds faster than the base F82 M4, and it was around 2,2 sec. faster than F80 M3 30 Jahre edition.
And it was around 1 sec. faster than the GT4 (981), and almost as fast as GT4 (718) that was on MPSC2.

So to say that G8X was underwhelming on tracks that favor small, light sports car is downright wrong, just look at the list of super sports cars behind it
Take the car out of the equation, and the key factors influencing lap time are -

1. Driver
2. Tires
3. Conditions (if its wet, conditions move up the list)

Without knowing these variables you can't really make an accurate comparison. If Plato had got into an F80 Comp with DSC off, 275/285 PSC2 and run a lap we would know what the real delta is. Random lap times on random tracks with no real supporting data are directional at best. That GT3 lap was driven by Steve Sutcliffe who is a good pilot, be he's not at Plato's level.

The F8x is already a very fast car, throw some proper suspension on it and it isn't pointing many cars by. I have seen no evidence thus far to suggest the g8x comp is on another level to an F8x comp when the controls are equal. I'm totally open to be proven wrong though, and as people put camber plates and sticky tires on we will find out!
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Take the car out of the equation, and the key factors influencing lap time are -

1. Driver
2. Tires
3. Conditions (if its wet, conditions move up the list)

Without knowing these variables you can't really make an accurate comparison. If Plato had got into an F80 Comp with DSC off, 275/285 PSC2 and run a lap we would know what the real delta is. Random lap times on random tracks with no real supporting data are directional at best. That GT3 lap was driven by Steve Sutcliffe who is a good pilot, be he's not at Plato's level.

The F8x is already a very fast car, throw some proper suspension on it and it isn't pointing many cars by. I have seen no evidence thus far to suggest the g8x comp is on another level to an F8x comp when the controls are equal. I'm totally open to be proven wrong though, and as people put camber plates and sticky tires on we will find out!
Vairano Circuit: G82 Competition with PS4S 1.14.18 / F82 GTS with SC2 1.13.87, driver Davide Fugazza
Sachsenring: G82 Competition 1.32.76 / F82 GTS 1.33.17, unknown tires and driver but in the worst case they've both SC2.
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Take the car out of the equation, and the key factors influencing lap time are -

1. Driver
2. Tires
3. Conditions (if its wet, conditions move up the list)

Without knowing these variables you can't really make an accurate comparison. If Plato had got into an F80 Comp with DSC off, 275/285 PSC2 and run a lap we would know what the real delta is. Random lap times on random tracks with no real supporting data are directional at best. That GT3 lap was driven by Steve Sutcliffe who is a good pilot, be he's not at Plato's level.

The F8x is already a very fast car, throw some proper suspension on it and it isn't pointing many cars by. I have seen no evidence thus far to suggest the g8x comp is on another level to an F8x comp when the controls are equal. I'm totally open to be proven wrong though, and as people put camber plates and sticky tires on we will find out!
I have presented the data regarding other track, Vairano handling course that is used by the Magazine members to test the cars.
They have their test driver and the tires on the G82 were MPS4S.

"VIERsr" has already posted the Sachsenring lap times and the G82 M4 is even faster than F82 M4GTS!

And if that is not on another level compared to the base F82 than I don't know what is?

https://fastestlaps.com/tracks/sachsenring

The new M4's lap times are consistently better than the times measured for many super sports cars!

Porsche 911 Carrera S (992) 1:32.36

BMW M4 Competition G82 1:32.76

BMW M4 GTS F82 1:33.17

BMW M4 CS F82 1:34.01

BMW M4 Competion F82 1:36.00

The new G82 time is very close to the Porsche 911 Carrera S (992)(4WD version or new CS will probably be faster than Carrera S on this track) and we know for sure that F82 GTS and CS were on Cup2's and even if the G82 was on the same tires the result is very impressive!

For me, this track time "VIERsr" has posted is the most telling:

"Vairano Circuit: G82 Competition with PS4S 1.14.18 / F82 GTS with SC2 1.13.87, driver Davide Fugazza"

G82 on PS4S was almost as fast as F82 GTS!
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