[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by adc

My (2018) F80 came with -1.6 and -1.4.

1.9 is not sufficient for track, you need -2.5 and above.


Hmm, I'll amend this, that's what you need on previous generations up to E36. I doubt the geometry on the new car has changed that dramatically to make the car happy with just -1.9, but I could be surprised. I guess we'll know once the fast people start tracking it.

The wider front track, stiffer chassis and suspension can alleviate the need for additional negative camber.

[deli333]

you are so biased that you even like active sound and compare it with previous generation, you like it even more. I don't know should I consider your review serious or over biased.

[apascutia]

Happy to hear that the chassis is properly sorted. Frankly, I couldn't care less about the front of the car if it drives well. With a more linear powerband, better steering feel, and better sorted suspension than the F80, the car's a winner. I always thought the F80 needed some more fine-tuning in the chassis department (unless it was the comp pack/CS). Plus, the S58 definitely sounds better than the S55!!

[jmg]

Originally Posted by CanAutM3

The wider front track, stiffer chassis and suspension can alleviate the need for additional negative camber.

Do we know if the castor has changed with the G80?

[calbears]

Originally Posted by jmg

Do we know if the castor has changed with the G80?

For the G80 (OP's): 7.5 left, 7.7 right
For my F80 CS: 7.66 left, 7.8 right

[M3 Number 86]

What kind of track day review doesn't have a hint of lap times? You could be going on a Sunday cruise pace and give an opinion that has no validity to it lol

At least let us know what you are capable of doing in your F80 lap time wise for some sort of reference. Without any perspective or context, this is like the kid who just got his car and says "it handles on rails bro"

:LOL:

[Mikli]

Great post!

[blackmamba3]

Originally Posted by M3 Number 86

What kind of track day review doesn't have a hint of lap times? You could be going on a Sunday cruise pace and give an opinion that has no validity to it lol

At least let us know what you are capable of doing in your F80 lap time wise for some sort of reference. Without any perspective or context, this is like the kid who just got his car and says "it handles on rails bro"

:LOL:

As I said, this was meant to be an anecdotal review due to several factors including the fact this was my first time at Streets of Willows. If you want lap times, there's other articles that will give you that information and all come to the same conclusion - these new cars are not only fast[er] but feel more planted, confident on the track when compared to the previous generation.

[blackmamba3]

Originally Posted by deli333

you are so biased that you even like active sound and compare it with previous generation, you like it even more. I don't know should I consider your review serious or over biased.

No, I don't subscribe to the notion that Active Sound is always, automatically bad. Some people act like its a badge of honor to remove it or talk negatively about it but that is not me, nor is it most people. In fact, I removed it on one of my F80s but then turned it back on because I felt like something was missing. Friends have done the same. The realty is most modern performance cars have some form of "fake" sound and in another generation, most won't even have internal combustion engines, yet ALL will have some form of Active Sound. I suppose you'll still be one of the ones shaking your first then but in the meantime, a dose of reality wouldn't hurt.

[M3 Number 86]

Originally Posted by blackmamba3

As I said, this was meant to be an anecdotal review due to several factors including the fact this was my first time at Streets of Willows. If you want lap times, there's other articles that will give you that information and all come to the same conclusion - these new cars are not only fast[er] but feel more planted, confident on the track when compared to the previous generation.

Exactly my point though. Anecdotal means nothing. Streets of willow favors smaller cars with a couple of short straights where more power would help but not as much as other tracks.

That being said, isn't g80 almost 4000 pounds? What is your level of skill that you can say that the tail end is progressive or to even be on track?

What are your lap times at other tracks with your previous cars? Context would be great.