[Jcali86]

Originally Posted by farishat

Damn, the Porsche design makes the M4 look like it was designed and made by newbies.

This is all you need for a new Porsche design though.

[someMoreMplease]

The unnecessary arguments on this forum are pathetic.

[EvenKeel]

Originally Posted by 3RDSECTOR

Lol the Demon cost more. You would have to spec out the G82 with a crap load of options to hit the same price point.

Fine Dude. Hellcat SRT. Happy? You're missing the point and being a tool.

[heavyD^2]

Originally Posted by EvenKeel

Fine Dude. Hellcat SRT. Happy? You're missing the point and being a tool.

I think the problem is you have no point. A M3/M4 can do the fast in a straight line thing very well and still outperform it's rival Alfa, MB, and Audi offerings at the track. Maybe the most well rounded performance car today. The Hellcat is a one trick pony that does one thing well and doesn't make for much of a comparison.

[EvenKeel]

Originally Posted by EXE46

What's wrong with people being pleased, happy to see the BMW wins a drag race?

I think you're missing the point. It's not about folks being happy about a BMW out accelerating a 911. It's about the implication that the out acceleration of the Porsche by the BMW means it's the better car. That's simply not the case. Therein lies the rub.

[EvenKeel]

Originally Posted by fullstack

I'm glad this is out there. There should be more competition so porsche can realize that they're overpricing.

Basics of Supply and Demand.

If people are willing to pay because they see the value in the incremental cost; Porsche will continue to charge that cost.

There are people out there who have paid close to $1MM for a used 911 R only to have Porsche release a manual GT3 a short while later. The R may still be incrementally better; not sure $850K better.

[Jockey]

Still would rather have the 911

[EvenKeel]

Originally Posted by heavyD^2

I think the problem is you have no point. A M3/M4 can do the fast in a straight line thing very well and still outperform it's rival Alfa, MB, and Audi offerings at the track. Maybe the most well rounded performance car today. The Hellcat is a one trick pony that does one thing well and doesn't make for much of a comparison.

You're right. I don't know what the f i'm talking about.

[Transfer]

Haha this thread went to shit. Still waiting for pics from Porshuh owners unless I'm blind, missed them, or they were deleted?

I can afford a $90k M3/4. I can't afford a $130k+ Porsche. That's a big part of what this comes down to for me. The optics of a 911 in my work and social life are also not so favorable. I also happen to like the G8x for many reasons and it will probably have performance that slots ahead of a 992 base and barely just below a 992 S when it comes to the numbers.

Any Porshuh owners on this BMW forum who feel the need to try to convince me that their choice is superior and mine inferior just proves how sad they are. Troll away little folk, you won't see me on a P forum.

[zamboni]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

Not for me. I wouldn't want to drive an automatic/DCT/SMG/PDK/etc. variant of any vehicle. Even my commuter 2021 Toyota Corolla SE is an MT.

Right on you're not connected to the car so boring.

[AlexFL]

Originally Posted by Transfer

Haha this thread went to shit. Still waiting for pics from Porshuh owners unless I'm blind, missed them, or they were deleted?

I can afford a $90k M3/4. I can't afford a $130k+ Porsche. That's a big part of what this comes down to for me. The optics of a 911 in my work and social life are also not so favorable. I also happen to like the G8x for many reasons and it will probably have performance that slots ahead of a 992 base and barely just below a 992 S when it comes to the numbers.

Any Porshuh owners on this BMW forum who feel the need to try to convince me that their choice is superior and mine inferior just proves how sad they are. Troll away little folk, you won't see me on a P forum.

the worst part is that people are being attacked for being BMW fans on a BMW forum and no moderator gives a damn

[Al Pinã]

Gotta laugh at all these Porsche bros with hurt vaginas.

[CanuckM]

Real enthusiasts don't disrespect other enthusiast's cars.

[GuyOh]

Im pretty sure most bmw fan boys know that the Porsche is the better driver's car, there's no denying that. But for people like me who can't afford a porsche 911, my only option is a bmw m3. Here in Canada the 911 starts at $113,000 and the m3 starts at $83,400. So i never understood the people who keep threatening to leave bmw for porsche because if i had the money, I would have went to porsche already!

[AlexFL]

Originally Posted by GuyOh

Im pretty sure most bmw fan boys know that the Porsche is the better driver's car, there's no denying that. But for people like me who can't afford a porsche 911, my only option is a bmw m3. Here in Canada the 911 starts at $113,000 and the m3 starts at $83,400. So i never understood the people who keep threatening to leave bmw for porsche because if i had the money, I would have went to porsche already!

lol! maybe buy a used 911 or a Cayman?

[GuyOh]

Man, people used to shit on the M cars for not winning drag races, and now people shit on them for being able to win drag races

[GuyOh]

Originally Posted by AlexFL

lol! maybe buy a used 911 or a Cayman?

Lol, is it so wrong for me to want to have a new car, seats 5 people, can drive fast in a straight line, drive fast around corners, have a nice interior and not break my wallet?

[NISFAN]

Originally Posted by GuyOh

Im pretty sure most bmw fan boys know that the Porsche is the better driver's car, there's no denying that. But for people like me who can't afford a porsche 911, my only option is a bmw m3. Here in Canada the 911 starts at $113,000 and the m3 starts at $83,400. So i never understood the people who keep threatening to leave bmw for porsche because if i had the money, I would have went to porsche already!

Yeah, but in Europe the G8x is roughly the same price as a Carrera, hence why European mags are comparing the two. BMW have upped the price point so are right in the crosshairs of some Porsche models.
Cayman GT4 costs less and doesn't suffer the horrendous depreciation of a BMW M car, so is going to get folk to migrate to Porsche.

[AlexFL]

Originally Posted by GuyOh

Lol, is it so wrong for me to want to have a new car, seats 5 people, can drive fast in a straight line, drive fast around corners, have a nice interior and not break my wallet?

you said you would have gone porsche if you had the money. hence my suggestion. there is no shame in buying used cars. i buy used cars a lot.

[kerunt]

Originally Posted by Kinglagos

I find the comparison totally valid. Most people associate Porsche > BMW whatever the model. This proves that such a blanket statement is simply wrong. You can get more with less $ without the P street cred.

Most people will also tell you that a BMW > Mazda, but rest assured that I'd take virtually any Mazda over a 323i.

Brand perception is as pointless of a metric as drag racing.

The only time drag racing is relevant, is when you are drag racing. How often do you do that? I gave up that silliness in my early 20's, and at that time I was perfectly happy to destroy all sports cars on the multitude of superbikes I had. There's always someone faster and stupider than you.

These days I look for vehicles which I enjoy driving in the 99% of the driving situations that I do. I further look for vehicles which are reliable. For me and my criteria, that base model Carrera is the better vehicle of the two.

But for what it's worth, I daily an LX570 and will soon be ordering a 911 Turbo S.

[mirob]

Originally Posted by CanuckM

Real enthusiasts don't disrespect other enthusiast's cars.

We're in here like little kids excited about a new toy and these dudes are pissing on our parade. Let us enjoy it for at least a damn second, alright? Damn!

[iiNNeX]

I'd take the Porker anyday, new M cars are disgusting to look at, bmw has lost its magic imo.