Base 911 vs G82 M4 Competition drag race by CAR

BIGW0RM · 03-11-2021, 12:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by solstice

Trust me, those days are over. The base is a serious car now. Don’t tell anyone though, allocations are scarce as it is

Ive had 4 911's since my last 2017 F80 M3. The 992's base IS on another level. Truthfully, I feel its power matches the chassis perfectly. Its fun to drive a base. The 992 911 S is just wicked quick. Ive had two now and they are very very very fast. Almost too fast.

Quote:

Originally Posted by AlexFL

But S/4S is so much better than the base, it's not even funny.

Agreed. But the base on the 992 generation is on another level than any prior base 911 generations.

Longboarder · 03-11-2021, 12:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by solstice

Quote:

Originally Posted by SeanWRT

AWD is not going to be helpful. The M3 in RWD already launches with no slip at all, in this video and in CARWOW's.

It's the slow build up of the boost that costs the game.

There's no slip because it's launch control. It cuts power before visible slip occurs. A car with this much power will roast the tires if all power is let loose from standstill. With AWD a good LC will not cut power until after sending power to all 4 wheels and sensing slip. Big difference.

I predict in the area of 0.2s faster 0-60 and 1/4 mile with AWD.

LC is not always set up optimally. It is "one size fits all". And of course launching on a poor road with debris or a damp road is much different than a prepped drag strip.

For me LC is a waste on the M8 because it just spins on my attempts in poor condition roads although it proabably would be phenomenal on a prepped strip. So I have been brake boosting at varying rpms depending on road condition and it has been working really well. The auto trans with the torque converter allows for brake boosting while the DCT/PDKs are not good at this. The g80 AWD has an auto trans and should launch well brake boosting as long as the turbos are fully spooled.

solstice · 03-11-2021, 12:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Longboarder

LC is not always set up optimally. It is "one size fits all". And of course launching on a poor road with debris or a damp road is much different than a prepped drag strip.

For me LC is a waste on the M8 because it just spins on my attempts in poor condition roads although it proabably would be phenomenal on a prepped strip. So I have been brake boosting at varying rpms depending on road condition and it has been working really well. The auto trans with the torque converter allows for brake boosting while the DCT/PDKs are not good at this. The g80 AWD has an auto trans and should launch well brake boosting as long as the turbos are fully spooled.

The fact that BMW have had a few years working on the LC tuning of the M-Xdrive in the M5 and M8 bodes well for the G8X AWD being wicked from the get go. I think many will be surprised by the AWD version, even us that predict it to be pretty fast. I guess we’ll know in a few months. Maybe the doubters will have their day instead. They sure didn’t get the understeer and not much faster than F8X right so maybe this is their time

2011ninja · 03-11-2021, 01:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AlexFL

G82 clearly quicker if it hooks well off the line.

My drag races in my life.

1992 VW corrado vr6 at English town nj 14.9 @ 97 mph

1995 VW corrado vr6 vs e46 M3 I got smoked

2006 GTI vs Hyundai Gneiss 2.0 I lost at a stop light

2016 M3 vs my cousin Alpha 4c I won at a stop light

AlexFL · 03-11-2021, 01:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 2011ninja

My drag races in my life.

1992 VW corrado vr6 at English town nj 14.9 @ 97 mph

1995 VW corrado vr6 vs e46 M3 I got smoked

2006 GTI vs Hyundai Gneiss 2.0 I lost at a stop light

2016 M3 vs my cousin Alpha 4c I won at a stop light

VW corrado is an absolutely epic car!

solstice · 03-11-2021, 01:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AlexFL

VW corrado is an absolutely epic car!

Hairdresser’s Golf

AlexFL · 03-11-2021, 01:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by solstice

The fact that BMW have had a few years working on the LC tuning of the M-Xdrive in the M5 and M8 bodes well for the G8X AWD being wicked from the get go. I think many will be surprised by the AWD version, even us that predict it to be pretty fast. I guess we’ll know in a few months. Maybe the doubters will have their day instead. They sure didn’t get the understeer and not much faster than F8X right so maybe this is their time

Stock X3M Competition (same engine, same trans, 400-500 lbs heavier) launches 0-60 in 3.7 sec. 1/4 mile in 11.6. G80C AWD will probably do 0-60 in 3.3 and 1/4 mile in 11.1 or so.

AlexFL · 03-11-2021, 01:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by solstice

And the Turbo over the S and the GT3 over the Turbo and the GT2 over the GT3...

The thing is that the base felt underpowered before it got FI and an M3 was a better package. Now the base doesn’t feel anything like underpowered, it goes like stink and feels very much like a sports car and worthy of the chassis.

GT3 over the Turbo? Two completely different cars

solstice · 03-11-2021, 01:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AlexFL

GT3 over the Turbo? Two completely different cars

Yes...and

Nitrile · 03-11-2021, 01:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AlexFL

Quote:

Originally Posted by solstice

And the Turbo over the S and the GT3 over the Turbo and the GT2 over the GT3...

The thing is that the base felt underpowered before it got FI and an M3 was a better package. Now the base doesn’t feel anything like underpowered, it goes like stink and feels very much like a sports car and worthy of the chassis.

GT3 over the Turbo? Two completely different cars

yes gt3 over turbo, turbo feels soul less

I'm not sure I would take a gt2 over a gt3, I love NA and 9000 rpm

sensi09 · 03-11-2021, 01:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SeanWRT

AWD is not going to be helpful. The M3 in RWD already launches with no slip at all, in this video and in CARWOW's.

It's the slow build up of the boost that costs the game.

The guy specifically said the car didn't hook up

e90335e36m3 · 03-11-2021, 01:18 PM

Too many excuses by us BMW owners. If that, then this. It's on BMW to make a bulletproof launch control system like Porsche did, so an everyman can get in and launch without figuring out the ideal parameters, conditions etc. It's not the driver's fault.
In the vast majority of cases, this is exactly the outcome you'll have on the street.
If your ego can't stomach it, stick to roll races.

AllaVodka · 03-11-2021, 01:29 PM

Porsche leagues ahead

Longboarder · 03-11-2021, 01:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nitrile

Quote:

Originally Posted by AlexFL

Quote:

Originally Posted by solstice

And the Turbo over the S and the GT3 over the Turbo and the GT2 over the GT3...

The thing is that the base felt underpowered before it got FI and an M3 was a better package. Now the base doesn't feel anything like underpowered, it goes like stink and feels very much like a sports car and worthy of the chassis.

GT3 over the Turbo? Two completely different cars

yes gt3 over turbo, turbo feels soul less

I'm not sure I would take a gt2 over a gt3, I love NA and 9000 rpm

I would generally agree....until the Turbo S is modded in a certain way.

Stock GT3 vs stock Turbo S: the GT3 all the way. Ive had the pleasure of owning and tracking both. Stock - the Turbo S was awkward and the GT3 right at home.

After the Turbo S became fully dialed in with DSC controller, track alignment, sticky tires, and FBO 68mm turbos and meth doing 145+ 1/4 mile traps on pump gas....this makes the GT3 on N1 spec Cup2's soooooo much slower.

The Turbo S is def not "souless". It has the soul and DNA to make it absolutely mind boggling. It just has been "dumbed down" for the target market.

mckman · 03-11-2021, 01:46 PM

A base 911. Damn that hurts. However 911's always get off the line well and have historically punched above their weight from a standing start.

Something about having the motor in the back....

Wolf · 03-11-2021, 01:52 PM

To be fair to both cars, this review is a joke. Not even worth watching.

GearRex · 03-11-2021, 03:08 PM

Apparently they do not have M-Skills. The journalists did not read the manual, they know better. They do not have time to read that crap.

There are some adjustments that have to be made, particularly on the RPM to get the optimal launch. BMW should make it easier though.

On the video, you only hear the older fellow going through the launch procedures. They should have kept the camera on the M driver, after all, the video is about the M car, not the Porsche. I am sure he screwed the pooch on the configuration of the M Launch Control.

Oh yeah, and 3 seconds boost building before releasing the pedal, and for Christ’s sake, do not try to shift gears yourself, you will be slower.

So many people struggled with the F80/82, that BMW felt compelled to produced a video.

trey100 · 03-11-2021, 07:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AlexFL

Quote:

Originally Posted by solstice

The fact that BMW have had a few years working on the LC tuning of the M-Xdrive in the M5 and M8 bodes well for the G8X AWD being wicked from the get go. I think many will be surprised by the AWD version, even us that predict it to be pretty fast. I guess we’ll know in a few months. Maybe the doubters will have their day instead. They sure didn’t get the understeer and not much faster than F8X right so maybe this is their time

Stock X3M Competition (same engine, same trans, 400-500 lbs heavier) launches 0-60 in 3.7 sec. 1/4 mile in 11.6. G80C AWD will probably do 0-60 in 3.3 and 1/4 mile in 11.1 or so.

One issue on the X3M is those times are with launch control and also going through whatever process to build boost. On hit the gas an go, the times jump up into the 12.2-12.3 range. Still great for an SUV but probably more typical for everyday performance. I can't imagine using launch control at a light without looking like a complete ass.

solstice · 03-11-2021, 07:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by trey100

One issue on the X3M is those times are with launch control and also going through whatever process to build boost. On hit the gas an go, the times jump up into the 12.2-12.3 range. Still great for an SUV but probably more typical for everyday performance. I can't imagine using launch control at a light without looking like a complete ass.

If you’re launching from a street light nothing can save you from looking like a complete @ss...

trey100 · 03-11-2021, 07:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by solstice

Quote:

Originally Posted by trey100

One issue on the X3M is those times are with launch control and also going through whatever process to build boost. On hit the gas an go, the times jump up into the 12.2-12.3 range. Still great for an SUV but probably more typical for everyday performance. I can't imagine using launch control at a light without looking like a complete ass.

If you’re launching from a street light nothing can save you from looking like a complete @ss...

Haha. Agree. Point still remains that people throw the mid 11's number around but it's really not repeatable in real life. As tempting as those AWD 0-60 times will be, I'd stick to RWD on the M3.

solstice · 03-11-2021, 07:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by trey100

Haha. Agree. Point still remains that people throw the mid 11's number around but it's really not repeatable in real life. As tempting as those AWD 0-60 times will be, I'd stick to RWD on the M3.

I’m waiting for the AWD mainly for the bite out of slow corners in the dry as well as in the wet. With this much power it’s going to be a riot on really twisty roads even if you are never able to hit much more than 60 before it’s time to hit the brakes

And I’m not going to lie, on the long deserted B road straights in eastern WA I might do a few launches from standstill for the laugh of it

AlexFL · 03-11-2021, 07:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by solstice

I’m waiting for the AWD mainly for the bite out of slow corners in the dry as well as in the wet. With this much power it’s going to be a riot on really twisty roads even if you are never able to hit much more than 60 before it’s time to hit the brakes

And I’m not going to lie, on the long deserted B road straights in eastern WA I might do a few launches from standstill for the laugh of it

I really like the M xDrive. Best is MDM mode with AWD Sport. Heavily RWD-biased but still good traction.

03-11-2021, 01:18 PM	#34
e90335e36m3 M3 1426 Rep 725 Posts Drives: M3s Join Date: Nov 2013 Location: Earth iTrader: (4)	Too many excuses by us BMW owners. If that, then this. It's on BMW to make a bulletproof launch control system like Porsche did, so an everyman can get in and launch without figuring out the ideal parameters, conditions etc. It's not the driver's fault. In the vast majority of cases, this is exactly the outcome you'll have on the street. If your ego can't stomach it, stick to roll races.
	Appreciate 1 oeM3jr8335.00 Quote

03-11-2021, 01:29 PM	#35
AllaVodka Captain 634 Rep 709 Posts Drives: BMW B58 Join Date: Dec 2020 Location: CT iTrader: (0)	Porsche leagues ahead
	Appreciate 1 oeM3jr8335.00 Quote

03-11-2021, 01:46 PM	#37
mckman Private First Class 139 Rep 135 Posts Drives: 2021 F87 Join Date: Sep 2015 Location: Los Angeles, CA iTrader: (0)	A base 911. Damn that hurts. However 911's always get off the line well and have historically punched above their weight from a standing start. Something about having the motor in the back.... __________________ 2011 E90 M3 Sedan (Euro Delivery) - The original 2016 F31 328d SportWagon (Euro Delivery) - Gone 2018 F30 340i xDrive 6MT - Sold to Carvana 2018 F15 X5 - Everyone needs an SUV these days. 2021 F87 - LBB 6MT
	Appreciate 0 Quote

03-11-2021, 03:08 PM	#39
GearRex First Lieutenant 194 Rep 310 Posts Drives: G80 M3, E46 ZHP, 991.2 Cabrio Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Miami iTrader: (6)	Apparently they do not have M-Skills. The journalists did not read the manual, they know better. They do not have time to read that crap. There are some adjustments that have to be made, particularly on the RPM to get the optimal launch. BMW should make it easier though. On the video, you only hear the older fellow going through the launch procedures. They should have kept the camera on the M driver, after all, the video is about the M car, not the Porsche. I am sure he screwed the pooch on the configuration of the M Launch Control. Oh yeah, and 3 seconds boost building before releasing the pedal, and for Christ’s sake, do not try to shift gears yourself, you will be slower. So many people struggled with the F80/82, that BMW felt compelled to produced a video. Last edited by GearRex; 03-11-2021 at 03:39 PM..
	Appreciate 0 Quote