[cfm56d7b]

These comparisons - where both cars were never intended to compete against each other - are entertaining especially because they generate an equally entertaining flow of comments.

M4 can be converted to an M3 in the buyer's mind if suddenly baby car seats, trips to the grocery store become important. 911 cannot be converted to anything other than 911. Thats' what really matters: the ability for the buyer to transition from one model to another for sound reasons without leaving the brand.

I know someone who began to explore X3 only to purchase X5 instead. And another individual selected X7 for space reasons when X5 wasn't sufficiently spacious.

[Mr. Hankey]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

I still often wonder why we pit "two seaters" that are a tad more dedicated against cars designed to handle a little bit of everything.

Simple, M3/M4 have always been that good. They punch above their weight so to speak and can play with the 911s. Not sure the AWD version will. Owning both for daily driving, errands, kids, golf clubs the M3 is sublime and completely trackable. 911 is just a different and almost zen driving experience for you and 1 other passenger, or golf clubs in the passenger seat next to you. If I could only have one would have to be the M3 for all around practicality, but will hold onto both for as long as humanly possible. Didn't have time to watch the video yet but I can guarantee this is going to be their conclusion.

[frankiebones]

I happen to love the M3/M4 aesthetics versus the carrera and carrera S. Once you get to Turbo's or GT cars thats another story.

What has kept me out of 911's for the last 4 car purchases is not my wallet, it's the sheer amount of miles I put on my cars. When I lease an M3, I know my overmileage payment is going to be $5k at the end of the lease. Even on a 2 year M3 CS lease I am 18k miles over.

I wouldn't lease a 911. It's a car you purchase. The problem is that everyone sells well below the 60k mile mark that mine would hit the market at and I would be signing my financial death warrant in buying one.

One day I will have a 2nd car, but that day is not today.

[AlexFL]

Originally Posted by spuntyb

but I will say they are a notch above in almost every regard, save for engine and drivetrain design and performance.

LOL. engine, drivetrain design, performance, infotainment, tech, and price tag... all the little things that don't really matter on the internet fora.

[Jim B]

A more appropriate comparison test would be the Porsche 911 vs. the Chevy C8 Corvette Stingray. The M4's closest competitors are the Mercedes C63 AMG, Audi RS5, Lexus IS-F, and Ford Mustang Shelby GT500.

[bmwdrive]

A base 911 costs 50% more than the M3/M4. Outside of that, yeah, sure I would take the 911. But in the real world, I will take the M3 because... money.

[solstice]

Originally Posted by Jim B

A more appropriate comparison test would be the Porsche 911 vs. the Chevy C8 Corvette Stingray. The M4's closest competitors are the Mercedes C63 AMG, Audi RS5, Lexus IS-F, and Ford Mustang Shelby GT500.

On paper you are right. In reality if the M4 and BMWs is your thing those natural competitors doesn’t match up in driving dynamics and/or overall quality feel and engineering (that’s you Vette and Mustang) and never have but the 911 does. And that very reason why you drive an M car in the first place, the superior mix of driving dynamics and quality/luxury is what make the 911 a natural next step.

Sure there are serious trade offs but if you want more of the good parts the 911 is the only game in town for many of us unless the M5 drives well enough for you. If the Benz, Lexus and Audi feel like a serious downgrade why even think of them? You want better where it counts the most (your love to drive the car) if you can live with the practicality compromise.

[Peterglen]

Lol... I never put anyone or anything in the back of my m2-or previously m4. The 911 fits a car seat just fine in the rear as well.

I went for a 911 this time around simply because after you drive it. Nothing feels quite as good. The g80 m3 I drove was great. But for a car I’m not head over heals with. No way I can drop 100k. I opted to spend 35k more to get a gently used 991.2 turbo s

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by frankiebones

I happen to love the M3/M4 aesthetics versus the carrera and carrera S. Once you get to Turbo's or GT cars thats another story.

What has kept me out of 911's for the last 4 car purchases is not my wallet, it's the sheer amount of miles I put on my cars. When I lease an M3, I know my overmileage payment is going to be $5k at the end of the lease. Even on a 2 year M3 CS lease I am 18k miles over.

I wouldn't lease a 911. It's a car you purchase. The problem is that everyone sells well below the 60k mile mark that mine would hit the market at and I would be signing my financial death warrant in buying one.

One day I will have a 2nd car, but that day is not today.

I'm with you on the aesthetics thing. Lower end 911's don't do anything for me. The GT cars are the cat's meow.

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by danf72

A base 911 costs 50% more than the M3/M4. Outside of that, yeah, sure I would take the 911. But in the real world, I will take the M3 because... money.

Agreed!!!!!

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by bm323

You can't surmise like that; it is plenty utilitarian for enthusiasts who do not need 2 full rear seats.

...which I am, but I still don't look at the cars the same. I would be comparing the P-Car against the Corvettes of the world rather than an M4. I could live with a GT3 having no kids, etc. (...and having a designated commuter car), but damn, I wouldn't even be able to carry my work equipment to the station in a 911 without cramming the back seats AND what little "frunk" a Porsche has.

[eman4517]

Originally Posted by Fahrt

Simple, M3/M4 have always been that good. They punch above their weight so to speak and can play with the 911s. Not sure the AWD version will. Owning both for daily driving, errands, kids, golf clubs the M3 is sublime and completely trackable. 911 is just a different and almost zen driving experience for you and 1 other passenger, or golf clubs in the passenger seat next to you. If I could only have one would have to be the M3 for all around practicality, but will hold onto both for as long as humanly possible. Didn't have time to watch the video yet but I can guarantee this is going to be their conclusion.

Agreed. A hard comparison to make, but yes, 911 is not as practical as a DD should your lifestyle change unexpectedly. The "frunk" is relatively useless, although it suspends a pizza box perfectly! lol[IMG]undefined[/IMG]
That was last year. Phone attached it sideways for some reason.

[solstice]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

I'm with you on the aesthetics thing. Lower end 911's don't do anything for me. The GT cars are the cat's meow.

I wildly prefer the look of the G82 over the 911 other than packaging but for me a 911 is a big aesthetic change and it won’t look same old as my current car. It will look very new in my drive way and from the driver’s seat which is important when I keep my cars for 5-10 years. I want a big change. And it sure ain’t ugly.

And here’s the truth for me regarding the natural competition. I can’t stand anything about them. I hate them even before I turn them on, the ergonomics are sh*t, they make me feel uncomfortable in every possible way. When I drive them they feel isolated, vague, boring etc. vs the F80 and every M3 before it.

When I jump into the 992 everything is f*cking bliss. I mean literally everything is better except Idrive. So the question that remain is just if the gap to the G82 is smaller than the hassle of the 992. Judging of this video the answer is yes it is, one person opted for the M4 and the other really struggled to say the 992 and added a caveat that he might change his mind. However it’s close enough that I can’t decide without driving the M4 close to the spec I consider.

[Mr. Hankey]

Originally Posted by eman4517

Agreed. A hard comparison to make, but yes, 911 is not as practical as a DD should your lifestyle change unexpectedly. The "frunk" is relatively useless, although it suspends a pizza box perfectly! lol[IMG]undefined[/IMG]
That was last year. Phone attached it sideways for some reason.

Hahaha great picture, and unfortunately quite accurate....maybe small pizzas only from now on!

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by eman4517

Agreed. A hard comparison to make, but yes, 911 is not as practical as a DD should your lifestyle change unexpectedly. The "frunk" is relatively useless, although it suspends a pizza box perfectly! lol[IMG]undefined[/IMG]
That was last year. Phone attached it sideways for some reason.

Love this photo, and it highlights the massive utilitarian caveat of P-Car ownership.

[eman4517]

Originally Posted by Fahrt

Hahaha great picture, and unfortunately quite accurate....maybe small pizzas only from now on!

Yes! oh I forgot I had this one too. Should the wife borrow it for some unforeseen reason (lol) you can fit 8 or 9 plastic (conservatively filled) shopping bags... there was also a small case of Poland spring minis under that

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by eman4517

Yes! oh I forgot I had this one too. Should the wife borrow it for some unforeseen reason (lol) you can fit 8 or 9 plastic (conservatively filled) shopping bags...

So basically no 24 pack of water bottles, no family sized cereal boxes, etc. You'd have to stick to fruit, frozen veggies and gum.

[Alex_bm]

Have you driven both cars?

Originally Posted by Scorp!on

ok let me get this straight:

A base 911 has 125hp and 200NM less than the M4 comp and costs, at least here in switzerland, 20K more than the M4 Comp. Not to mention all the daily benefit the M4 has compared to the Porsche.

And people tend to the 911?

I'm confused.

[eman4517]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

So basically no 24 pack of water bottles, no family sized cereal boxes, etc. You'd have to stick to fruit, frozen veggies and gum.

No sir. Costco is completely of the question. You're confined to Trader Joe's or Wegmans!

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by eman4517

No sir. Costco is completely of the question. You're confined to Trader Joe's or Wegmans!

Lol! Well at least you wouldn't spend too much because you'd have issues getting it home......


....unless you called your spouse with the M3/M4 to assist you.

[kyleb350]

Originally Posted by frankiebones

What has kept me out of 911's for the last 4 car purchases is not my wallet, it's the sheer amount of miles I put on my cars.

Price has got to be a factor for many as well. I can float buying an optioned M4, but a base 911 isn't even on my radar. It's 1/3 more of the price!

The BMW might lose the head to head comparison, but you gotta give it points for value.

[eman4517]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

Lol! Well at least you wouldn't spend too much because you'd have issues getting it home......


....unless you called your spouse with the M3/M4 to assist you.

Totally. Speaking of spouses with M3 or M4s, mine is still open to trading her 2016 C450 AMG (MSport equivalent) sedan on a G80 AWD or an I4. She doesn't mind the grille as much as I do.

An M5C and a G80 AWD in the stable..wouldn't that be the cat's pyjamas?! Wishful thinking