[Art__Vandelay]

Originally Posted by solstice

Similar as me. I’ve had all three series models including the E21 and two of each for some models. Add a couple of funfers and the tally is well into double digits. The only one I haven’t liked is the F10 and the F80 has been relatively so-so and I never loved it on the street.

I do love everything about our Cayenne (except anything needing a dealer visit) for what it is and a test drive of the 992 was bliss. I like what I see with the G8X but in many ways it’s similar to the F80 so I’m leaning towards the 992. Adding another ulcer inducing P-car dealer visit reason is the main reason I have doubts.

I still haven't test driven the 992, only looked at it at the dealer and sat in it. But I've watched about 157 videos on youtube and read about 36 reviews. That is always a sign that this might be the right car for me. Unfortunately, a test drive is currently not possible because of Covid. Meanwhile I configure the 992 every few days.

But I am still aware that the G80 has its advantages. However, there's a bit too much of an aftermarket vibe in the G80/G82 for my taste (as I've mentioned), which always looks kinda cheap IMO. But I'll have to see it in person.

You're looking for a S?

[solstice]

Originally Posted by Croatian test driver

I still haven't test driven the 992, only looked at it at the dealer and sat in it. But I've watched about 157 videos on youtube and read about 36 reviews. That is always a sign that this might be the right car for me. Unfortunately, a test drive is currently not possible because of Covid. Meanwhile I configure the 992 every few days.

But I am still aware that the G80 has its advantages. However, there's a bit too much aftermarket in the G80/G82 for my taste (as I've mentioned), which always looks kinda cheap IMO. But I'll have to see it in person.

You're looking for a S?

No not S, I drove the base Carrera and it was awesome. The feeling that the base in underpowered was real in the NA era, now with FI the base feel properly fast.

[PLF69]

I want to replace the M2 with a more engaging car. I don't want to replace suspension on next car.

Option 1: M/T M3 basic spec 90 650$cad + reduce to two cars + fits newborn easier - run it all year long rwd.

Option 2: At less then 10k difference going for a 718 GTS 4.0 M/T + cover engagement + better overall quality/dynamics/styling - requires a 3rd car/winter beater

Option 3: stretch budget 20-30k more and get base 911 + space for child(relative, not so easy) + 911 - less track ready - no M/T + Good daily - a little showoff for my area

Juggling with this stuff daily...

[HeelToeShift]

If anyone here is looking for a 992 C2S or C4S on the ground or an allocation please shoot me a PM.

[bmwdrive]

Originally Posted by PLF69

I want to replace the M2 with a more engaging car. I don't want to replace suspension on next car.

Option 1: M/T M3 basic spec 90 650$cad + reduce to two cars + fits newborn easier - run it all year long rwd.

Option 2: At less then 10k difference going for a 718 GTS 4.0 M/T + cover engagement + better overall quality/dynamics/styling - requires a 3rd car/winter beater

Option 3: stretch budget 20-30k more and get base 911 + space for child(relative, not so easy) + 911 - less track ready - no M/T + Good daily - a little showoff for my area

Juggling with this stuff daily...

If your main reason to change is that you want a more engaging car, I think it has to be the 718 GTS. I don't know that you would be happier in an M3 given it's size? And the 992 is awesome. It has a more compliant ride than the M2 in my opinion and just feels more refined. I'm not sure that is what you want. So 718 assuming you are ok driving a beater for a good amount of time.

[PLF69]

Originally Posted by danf72

If your main reason to change is that you want a more engaging car, I think it has to be the 718 GTS. I don't know that you would be happier in an M3 given it's size? And the 992 is awesome. It has a more compliant ride than the M2 in my opinion and just feels more refined. I'm not sure that is what you want. So 718 assuming you are ok driving a beater for a good amount of time.

I guess a nice day of test driving is needed when the G80 hits the dealers.

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by PLF69

I want to replace the M2 with a more engaging car. I don't want to replace suspension on next car.

Option 1: M/T M3 basic spec 90 650$cad + reduce to two cars + fits newborn easier - run it all year long rwd.

Option 2: At less then 10k difference going for a 718 GTS 4.0 M/T + cover engagement + better overall quality/dynamics/styling - requires a 3rd car/winter beater

Option 3: stretch budget 20-30k more and get base 911 + space for child(relative, not so easy) + 911 - less track ready - no M/T + Good daily - a little showoff for my area

Juggling with this stuff daily...

992 can be had with MT...

[PLF69]

Originally Posted by CanAutM3

992 can be had with MT...

Not the base, at least not for now..

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by PLF69

Not the base, at least not for now..

Interesting, I never realized that.

[PLF69]

Originally Posted by CanAutM3

Interesting, I never realized that.

I think they did this for emissions but it's a shame because the 992 seems so good and all the reviewers rave about how good and improved the M/T is.. Only available in the S for now.

I mean at 113k cad base price the 992 991 is not too far off the M3/M4.

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by PLF69

I think they did this for emissions but it's a shame because the 992 seems so good and all the reviewers rave about how good and improved the M/T is.. Only available in the S for now.

I mean at 113k cad base price the 992 991 is not too far off the M3/M4.

Indeed. The M3/4 went up in price quite significantly with the G8X in Canada.

[picaso]

Originally Posted by Croatian test driver

I'm also planning on getting a new car this spring/summer after more than 5 years with the F80.

There are not too many alternatives that I really like and that suit me. Basically, the only options I'm considering right now are the G80 or the 992 (Carrera S or 4S).

I've always appreciated Porsche but was never really a Porsche guy and had never specifically looked into buying one.

What is currently holding me back at least a little (apart from the higher price of course, though the price of a new G80 here in Switzerland is also very high):

- It's basically a 2-seater (it would be my only car, but I don't have kids)
- Luggage space is significantly smaller
- I would miss the iDrive, the Porsche system is rather average in comparison and reduced only to touchscreen operation, which I do not like
- The interior of the 992 is okay and of high quality, but maybe a bit "boring", the interior of the G80 on the other hand looks really good IMO and is a big step forward compared to the predecessor

On the other hand, the driving experience, the steering, the rear engine experience, the design, etc. are really tempting me.

Regarding the G80, there are several things I don't like. It's not even the grille, but rather things like the higher weight, but also those stupid black side skirts (and on the sides of the front bumper), the Fast and the Furious rear diffuser, only dark wheels options, etc. All of that looks so aftermarket and kinda cheap to me. Although it could be a good looking car.

I'm leaning towards the 992, but won't be an easy decision.

I feel you. To make matters worse my wife just asked why I'm not considering the Tesla roadster and just wait and see if I'd like that. Her thinking is while she understands the thrill of petrol, gears and such - since Porsche has a premium and causes me stress, why not wait and just maybe I'll be pleasantly surprised by the roadster - I'm not keen on sound, I just want a fun car!

Looks like I'll wait. Tired of playing Porsches game. They either step up to satisfy demand or lose market shares to "younger" folks who are willing to try something new.

I really really hate dealing with dealerships. I think I'm goin all electric folks. Will put my deposit for a roadster.

[picaso]

Originally Posted by picaso

I feel you. To make matters worse my wife just asked why I'm not considering the Tesla roadster and just wait and see if I'd like that. Her thinking is while she understands the thrill of petrol, gears and such - since Porsche has a premium and causes me stress, why not wait and just maybe I'll be pleasantly surprised by the roadster - I'm not keen on sound, I just want a fun car!

Looks like I'll wait. Tired of playing Porsches game. They either step up to satisfy demand or lose market shares to "younger" folks who are willing to try something new.

I really really hate dealing with dealerships. I think I'm goin all electric folks. Will put my deposit for a roadster.

Put my deposit for the Tesla roadster. Now it's just to wait. I'll get the m3 manual as my daily once my lease is up thanks everyone.

[solstice]

Originally Posted by picaso

Put my deposit for the Tesla roadster. Now it's just to wait. I'll get the m3 manual as my daily once my lease is up thanks everyone.

$200k or $250k version?

[picaso]

Originally Posted by solstice

$200k or $250k version?

200k, for the 250k version you need to put 245k down - hmm no.

[solstice]

In the next week we will ask our dealer when their next Carrera allocation for a custom order opens up. If we can take delivery before summer it’s pretty much a done deal. I wanted to at least wait until G82 driving impressions/reviews were out but with that being another month away I think we lose the chance of having the 992 before summer. Not that the M car has much chance anyway at this pointbut if the reviews are glowing we would have waited to drive it before deciding.

Not having the P-car over summer is almost like missing a full year so it’s a big decision to wait.

[DecemberStorm]

Originally Posted by PLF69

I think they did this for emissions but it's a shame because the 992 seems so good and all the reviewers rave about how good and improved the M/T is.. Only available in the S for now.

I mean at 113k cad base price the 992 991 is not too far off the M3/M4.

yea but only if you compare a base 992 C2 vs a loaded G8X incl. CCB lol. I just played around with it, a few options later and it's almost 130k sigh.

[LTJohn]

I have a 2019 GT3. I can't find too much common ground between the M3 and that model. But, I've had E49, E92 M3 and they are superb cars that lean towards a solid practical daily driver. (although I daily my GT3)
This new M3 brings comfort to a very nice level, and still can run like a scalded cat. My plan is to add an M3 to run in addition to the 911. They are just that different in mission and scope.

[unseen orko]

This thread deserves some attention now given how incredible the new m4 is and that carwow video showing m4 destroy a base 911 on drag... still can’t believe the traction off the line

[HeelToeShift]

Originally Posted by unseen orko

This thread deserves some attention now given how incredible the new m4 is and that carwow video showing m4 destroy a base 911 on drag... still can’t believe the traction off the line

The M4 makes ~130 WHP more than a base 992. The fact that the 992 is that close with that much less HP is nothing short of extraordinary. The Porsches always tend to punch way above their power.

[BimmerMan33]

Cars are generally fun when driven close to their limits. Both M cars & Porsches these days have such high limits that they're difficult to enjoy on the streets in a safe & legal way. Of course, lots of fun on the track but few people track their cars & that too for 5-7 days a year, rest of the times we expect the car to be fun on the street.

I prefer base versions with narrower tires for street use as the limits are lower & base engines could be revved out more, both are fun!

Porsche ride is more compliant and sporty at the same time compared to M cars because P car is designed as a race car first, so the chassis is more rigid, therefore allowing suspension to be softer, while M cars are street cars first with not so stiff chassis which necessitates stiffer suspension tuning.

If looking for a sporty feeling car without need for 4 door/4 seats, Porsche makes perfect sense (Cayman or 911). If 4 seats are needed, M cars are the only sporty option!

[Takumi587]

I love BMW & Porsche.

My list of cars I’ve had is extensive b/c of how quickly I get bored... M3, Giulia, M3, Boxster S, 911 Carrera S, Macan Turbo, AMG GTS, M340i. Still have the E46 M3 and AMG GTS.

If I was deciding between the 911 and M3 for the weekend car then 911 hands down. Absolutely fun and Porsche keeps to their timeless design. I also feel build quality and durability go to the Porsche. The B&O sound system is a must have and much better than the HK in BMW. Wish I kept the 911 but got married and moved to the Macan Turbo which was still just as fun but very practical. Unfortunately my wife got rear ended and it was totaled. Went to BMW and leased the M340i. Very fun and nimble car. Love the power and handling. Doesn’t feel as good as a Porsche though IMO but still I enjoy it.

Now considering putting M340i on Swapalease to get the new M3. To me like I said I get bored very fast and I keep my auto broker in business. But best overall vehicle to me is still Porsche. I plan already moving to the Taycan after the M3 but when they have more distance per charge. Good luck and a great position to be in! Cheers!