04-09-2021, 03:00 AM | #23 |
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It will never be enough for the haters. There will always be a faster car, but in its category it is by far the fastest. So far.
And it's surprisingly very close to some more track-oriented cars, obviously over a long distance (lap after lap) a lighter and track focused car like a GT4 will destroy a heavy and street-oriented car like the M4. As it has always been. |
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Different tools for different purposes, I guess.
I'm probably not going to do a week's worth of grocery shopping in my GT4. Someone can check me on that of course. |
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I take it you owned a GT4 and tried commuting in it? Curious to know what made it 'utterly useless'. |
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The fact lap times beating the M4 GTS are posted as 'evidence' does not stand up to any logical scrutiny. The M4 GTS has almost equal HP, weighs 300lbs less, has 3 way adjustable KW clubsport suspension and adjustable aero (which means it can be dialed in for the specific circuit) and a proper gearbox. Assuming all else is equal (tires, driver, conditions) the G80 M3 will not be quicker. |
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04-09-2021, 11:44 PM | #29 |
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i'd take the GT4 any day of the week. The m4 has become too expensive and fat for it's own good. It's no longer a purist car, more of a big HP GT (ie. M6, M8) and of course it lacks the sensory feedback (steering/brakes/suspension) of the Porsche.
Not surprised Jason wasn't very upbeat about it since it was a real chore to shovel the m4 around the track. |
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Not exactly a random website: https://g80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1815648 |
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Also, the people from the BMW have officially stated that the new car is faster than the GTS on Cup2"s! You either don't like the car and have unconsciously blocked objective part of your brain responsible for accepting the facts (like some other people on the forum), or you were to lazy to go trough the forum to find out more about it? |
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04-10-2021, 08:39 AM | #32 |
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Why are people always looking at the variables in terms of "well, if X had this then it would be closer or even with Y"? No shit - but it didn't. We are looking at the vehicles as they were released by the manufacturer. Why is that so hard to understand?
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04-11-2021, 05:19 AM | #34 |
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Havent driven the Cayman but in general Porsches have become like surgical tools. They are very fast but not very much emotion. That I can say on all 992:s I have driven. Apart from the engine the Cayman seems to be built likely. I would choose the G80 every day of the week if these 2 cars were the options.
Surgical tooling is great in an EV like the Taycan but not so in 992:s. For me the Taycan is by far the best Porsche has to offer at the moment (GT3 or similar not in equation). I hope I can get some track time in the G80 soon. Really looking forward to that. |
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04-11-2021, 07:02 PM | #35 | |
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So, you really can't extrapolate the experience you get from a standard 911 or Cayman to the GT equivalent any more than you can assume a 330i feels and drives just like an M3.
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I have not driven a base 992, only S and TurboS. For me an F80CS is on a different planet emotions wise. Comparing driving a 330i to M4 is a much bigger difference than 992 to GT4, kind of silly comparison imho. 992:s are still manufactured so that they are very track capable and should give you emotion. |
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04-12-2021, 07:30 AM | #37 | |
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I'm aware the list prices are close but can one get a GT4 without a markup? I don't know as I don't follow them. |
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04-21-2021, 06:33 AM | #38 | |
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911 Best all-around car on the market?, not even close: -no space -prices through the roof -low emotion engines I would choose a G80 Competition over any normal 992, not even in doubt. This time I though ordered another Porsche model. Looking forward for receiving the car in June. |
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Porsche 911 sales are lower because they’re not producing cars. Values are way up though. I made money on my 991.2!! I do think they’re hands down the best all around mix of GT and Sports car. Not even a doubt in my mind. That’s not to say there aren’t other good cars but the 911 is the benchmark because it is the best. Just look now at what the 992 GT3 is doing. Barely more hp than the 991.2 GT3 yet runs 10.8 in the 1/4 for only 500 hp and under 7 mins on the Ring which no other manufacturer could come close to with only 500 hp. |
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For me, the main takeaway is that the more practical M4 nearly matches the lap time of the track focused dedicated sports car at the same price point.
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04-25-2021, 09:35 AM | #42 | |
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At the same time, the Cayman GT4 is Porsche putting in about 50% effort with the car. There is so much more they could do but won’t. Plus, I’d love to see comparisons where they did 10/20/30 laps and see how the gap really accumulated. It wouldn’t look so close then... Ultimately I only go to the track a couple times a year but want to not only lay down quick times but also have fun. It’s great that there are performance oriented sedans, wagons, and SUVs so if a sports car isn’t e Pugh for you, there are great options. I personally love the idea of the new M3 with AWD but dislike the auto with a passion. Last edited by HeelToeShift; 04-25-2021 at 10:11 AM.. |
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He has the euro aspherical mirrors. Hopefully those will be available for ordering at some point. Had them on my last car and they were nice.
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992 is definitely not the benchmark for me. Taycan is the benchmark in EV:s, those are really something special. |
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