[jkap27]

Originally Posted by Ghostriderf80

I still own a BMW product - a mini Kids X5. It's electric.

Yes Porsche is better, way better, even a base model is better than an M4.

What is funny is they compared an M2 to a Macan on laps LOL... Goes to show you. Also I got rid of my crappy M2 and traded for a Macan, believe me what an upgrade in handling, braking, comfort and pretty much everything. Real test was never looked back at the M2 and when I did I felt this.

My previous F80 M3 Comp was quick, looked ok, but left lots to be desired for. The Cayenne that replaced it, is better in every way to live with. Handling is different story though. It's an SUV, but I look back at it and love it. Even photographs better.

The 911 coming certainly will be magical in terms of comparison. My dilemma is really between a going hard GT3 or Turbo or GTS. First world problems, but once you go that route you will understand.

Still I love the interior of the new M4.

lol ah yes the crappy critically acclaimed M2 that is currently sitting on every auto journalists top cars list thats about half the price of a moderately optioned base 911 haha

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by CanuckM

That's why you gotta mod them. /shameless plug

Looks dope! ......but that P-Car tax is worse than the M-Car tax.

[Jcali86]

Originally Posted by CanuckM

That's why you gotta mod them. /shameless plug

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

I still often wonder why we pit "two seaters" that are a tad more dedicated against cars designed to handle a little bit of everything.

Because it's an age old comparison. The M3/4 has always been about 911 levels of performance with more practicality for less money. Futher, 911 and M3/4 have been close racing competitors in several categories for several decades. Even if they are not direct competitors, it is still interesting to see how they stack up. I've actually remember many comparos featuring the E46, E92 or F8X against the 911 where the M3/4 took the win.

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by CanAutM3

Because it's an age old comparison. The M3/4 has always been about 911 levels of performance with more practicality for less money. Futher, 911 and M3/4 have been close racing competitors in several categories for several decades. Even if they are not direct competitors, it is still interesting to see how they stack up. I've actually remember many comparos featuring the E46, E92 or F8X against the 911 where the M3/4 took the win.

I understand the theory due to the M3/M4 punching above its weight, but I'm referring to more serious shopping comparisons. It was more rhetorical than literal. I imagine that most who can deal with a two seater AND who can afford the Porsche.......buy the Porsche.

[solstice]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

I understand the theory due to the M3/M4 punching above its weight, but I'm referring to more serious shopping comparisons. It was more rhetorical than literal. I imagine that most who can deal with a two seater AND who can afford the Porsche.......buy the Porsche.

I wish it was that easy. To me it has a lot to do with how well the M4 does things that the 992 is weak at (daily commute and road trips with family, tech, audio, value) and how close it get to the areas were the 992 is very strong (agility, quality and precision feel, trackability). Since I’ve had seat time in the 992 I know enough about it’s pros and cons but for an initial gauge on the M4 these head to head comparisons are very valuable. Much more than a comparison towards cars I have zero interest in of one reason or another (Benz, Audi, Lexus, Alfa).

If the M4 is no better as a daily than the uninspiring, noisy F80 it’s a simple decision.
If the M4 is great at that and close enough in the strong 992 areas the choice is also easy in the other way. Anything in between and it becomes difficult.

I’d also love to see a comparison like this by a quality mag. with the F82 vs G82. Track battle, drag race, country roads and city driving.

[OSee]

Originally Posted by Ghostriderf80

Also I got rid of my crappy M2 and traded for a Macan, believe me what an upgrade in handling, braking, comfort and pretty much everything.

The Macan is for your wife right? Please tell me it's for your wife...

[BIGW0RM]

I find it interesting some of you think the M4 is on the same level as a 911. To me their is absolutely no comparison.

If you are going to compare them, then the M3/M4 should be matched against the 911 S or to come GTS. The M3/M4 is not a base model. So how can one compare the top of the line M series to a base model 911 and say the M3/M4 is better. lol. Everything the 911 does, it does it much better than the M3/M4. Other than carry cargo and be easier to get in and out of.

Dont get me wrong. I love BMW. I always will. I loved all 5 of my M cars. And I sure do miss the BMW infotainment design. Id have another one next to my 911 S if they weren't so ugly now. But this M3/M4 vs 911 base is just silly to me. Lets match the horsepower outputs and see what happens.

[DCG]

[mirob]

Originally Posted by BIGW0RM

I find it interesting some of you think the M4 is on the same level as a 911. To me their is absolutely no comparison.

If you are going to compare them, then the M3/M4 should be matched against the 911 S or to come GTS. The M3/M4 is not a base model. So how can one compare the top of the line M series to a base model 911 and say the M3/M4 is better. lol. Everything the 911 does, it does it much better than the M3/M4. Other than carry cargo and be easier to get in and out of.

Dont get me wrong. I love BMW. I always will. I loved all 5 of my M cars. And I sure do miss the BMW infotainment design. Id have another one next to my 911 S if they weren't so ugly now. But this M3/M4 vs 911 base is just silly to me. Lets match the horsepower outputs and see what happens.

You come off as triggered. I'm not sure I'm understanding your argument here. You're defeating your own point by trying to compare an M4 to an even more expensive 911 than the one it's being compared to. The G8Xs perform admirably for the price point they're at and that's the whole idea. No one is saying it's a better sports car because it isn't.

[BIGW0RM]

Originally Posted by mirob

You come off as triggered. I'm not sure I'm understanding your argument here. You're defeating your own point by trying to compare an M4 to an even more expensive 911 than the one it's being compared to. The G8Xs perform admirably for the price point they're at and that's the whole idea. No one is saying it's a better sports car because it isn't.

Triggered?

I am just saying that I find it odd people match a front engine rear wheel drive M3/M4 with a 2 seater rear engine 911. The 911 is on another level any way you look at it. And that if one is going to compare them, then why not do it with matching HP.

[mirob]

Originally Posted by BIGW0RM

Triggered?

I am just saying that I find it odd people match a front engine rear wheel drive M3/M4 with a 2 seater rear engine 911. The 911 is on another level any way you look at it. And that if one is going to compare them, then why not do it with matching HP.

You seem upset that an M3/M4 would even be mentioned in the same breath as a 911. I don't look at it as a knock to the 911 but rather a nod to the M3/M4.

As far as power outputs go, sure for shits and giggles, but does that really make practical sense? I think the idea here is that the M3/M4 can offer some of the Porsche experience and all of the practicality at a "bargain" price. If they all cost the same you'd be in a GT3/RS or TTS, no? So the price does play a role for all of us - but some of us more than others. And let's not forget, some of us choose to drive BMWs even if we have the means for something more.

Besides, the sole reason we're having this conversation is because these publications feel like it's one worth having - and as CanAutM3 pointed out above - they've been having it for generations.

[BIGW0RM]

Originally Posted by mirob

You seem upset that an M3/M4 would even be mentioned in the same breath as a 911. I don't look at it as a knock to the 911 but rather a nod to the M3/M4.

As far as power outputs go, sure for shits and giggles, but does that really make practical sense? I think the idea here is that the M3/M4 can offer some of the Porsche experience and all of the practicality at a "bargain" price. If they all cost the same you'd be in a GT3/RS or TTS, no? So the price does play a role for all of us - but some of us more than others. And let's not forget, some of us choose to drive BMWs even if we have the means for something more.

Besides, the sole reason we're having this conversation is because these publications feel like it's one worth having - and as CanAutM3 pointed out above - they've been having it for generations.

Im no upset. I love both brands equally. I just don't like the new nostrils, and ZF tranny to own another M3 right now.

And as an owner of both cars (I had a 2017 F80 and a 2017 911 at same time not too long ago) I just don't understand how we can compare the two cars. They are on two completely separate spectrums IMO.

But if drag race results make people feel like they got there monies worth from a 85-90K well equipped M3 vs a 115-125K base 911, so be it. Who am I to judge.

That's just not how I see it or compare to the two at all.

[mirob]

Originally Posted by BIGW0RM

Im no upset. I love both brands equally. I just don't like the new nostrils, and ZF tranny to own another M3 right now.

And as an owner of both cars (I had a 2017 F80 and a 2017 911 at same time not too long ago) I just don't understand how we can compare the two cars. They are on two completely separate spectrums IMO.

But if drag race results make people feel like they got there monies worth from a 85-90K well equipped M3 vs a 115-125K base 911, so be it. Who am I to judge.

That's just not how I see it or compare to the two at all.

I can see where you're coming from. That's the versatility of the M3. It's a lot of different things to a lot of different people.

[solstice]

To the CAR guy, how’s the editing going of the track times video? The wait is causing tension here

[jkap27]

Originally Posted by BIGW0RM

I find it interesting some of you think the M4 is on the same level as a 911. To me their is absolutely no comparison.

If you are going to compare them, then the M3/M4 should be matched against the 911 S or to come GTS. The M3/M4 is not a base model. So how can one compare the top of the line M series to a base model 911 and say the M3/M4 is better. lol. Everything the 911 does, it does it much better than the M3/M4. Other than carry cargo and be easier to get in and out of.

Dont get me wrong. I love BMW. I always will. I loved all 5 of my M cars. And I sure do miss the BMW infotainment design. Id have another one next to my 911 S if they weren't so ugly now. But this M3/M4 vs 911 base is just silly to me. Lets match the horsepower outputs and see what happens.

The amount of performance relative to the price my friend lol a McLaren 720s is a 'base car' and it will decimate a base 911 so the 911 is trash....is that a valid argument? Of course not. A base 911 is already substantially more expensive than a g8x as it is. 'Everything the 911 does it does much better'...but what if you need it to do things it doesn't do?

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by DCG

So you have this guy talking about tension and ferocity of the G8X M3's personality (...a trait other reviewers have reserved for the outgoing F8X) and regaling the Alfa for being composed, compliant, predictable and soft (...a trait other reviewers claim applies to the G8X, much to the chagrin of F8X lovers who enjoyed hooliganing). It just serves to demonstrate that these reviewers are just people.......people with different perceptions of the same instrument. Take their subjective sentiments with a grain of salt because the only one that matters is that of the buyer.

[mirob]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

So you have this guy talking about tension and ferocity of the G8X M3's personality (...a trait other reviewers have reserved for the outgoing F8X) and regaling the Alfa for being composed, compliant, predictable and soft (...a trait other reviewers claim applies to the G8X, much to the chagrin of F8X lovers who enjoyed hooliganing). It just serves to demonstrate that these reviewers are just people.......people with different perceptions of the same instrument. Take their subjective sentiments with a grain of salt because the only one that matters is that of the buyer.

FACTS!