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jmg · 01-05-2022, 11:19 AM

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Just asking this out of curiosity - we are entering a phase where electric will most likely be the future of all cars. If electric introduced a "gear shift" functionality that could mimic the feeling of actual shifting - and perhaps be programmed to feel like different cars - do you think you'd buy into it? Or too gimmicky?

Why fix what isn't broken
ICE cars with modern catalytic converters are doing less damage than your neighbors gas lawn mower.
It's like tree huggers and vegans invented the problem that doesn't exist.

To answer your question, no I don't want a fake PlayStation car that pretends to be 6MT ICE

You don't have to transport electricity. The savings in transporting billions of gallons of gas a year is considerable. It encourages more regions to convert to clean energy to maintain the grid as well.

No one is making anything up and they don't need to.

That's not entirely true. Transporting electricity requires very significant investment in the form of billion dollar transmission lines. These lines are very subject to weather in the form of hail, tornadoes (or just high winds), heavy rains, ice storms, heavy snow falls, etc. when these lines do fail, they're very costly to repair and it isn't usually done overnight. It usually takes a few days to a few weeks because a lot of the infrastructure is very remote.

Adding on, an ice storm in northern Canada can affect the power availability in Texas. This is an exaggeration, but you might get the point. A lot of the electricity used by the US, is actually imported from Canada and our hydro electric dams.

Electricity is dirt cheap here and gas is super expensive, but it isn't all roses. There are huge cost factors, there are land claims, there are lots of unintended consequences with electricity.

Yes but these lines already exist to provide power outside of powering our vehicles. The burning of fuel to transport only fuel would be eradicated. One fuel truck driving and filling up the local gas station is for a set number of uses. A power line provides continuous energy for multiple uses. Also, with residential solar panels becoming more and more the norm, the reliance on grid power is reduced.

The power grid (at least in Canada) is already under strain and is going to need major infrastructure upgrades to be able to support millions of EV's in addition to current demand. (And that doesn't include the charging network required)

If people want to own one vehicle for both around town and longer trips the most suitable solution right now is a plug in hybrid. Gives you options for recharging, allows you to take proper road trips without worrying about charging network and gets you some pretty great mileage.

The grid will be improved, range will increase, charging time will decrease, charging stations will become more numerous. It's the exact same thing as when the ICE automobile was invented. I'm not sure why people can't see that. It's not like the ICE automobile was instantly accessible to everyone right away. Gas stations had to be built, a distribution network had to be created, oil refined.

ChrisM4 · 01-05-2022, 11:21 AM

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Just asking this out of curiosity - we are entering a phase where electric will most likely be the future of all cars. If electric introduced a "gear shift" functionality that could mimic the feeling of actual shifting - and perhaps be programmed to feel like different cars - do you think you'd buy into it? Or too gimmicky?

Why fix what isn't broken
ICE cars with modern catalytic converters are doing less damage than your neighbors gas lawn mower.
It's like tree huggers and vegans invented the problem that doesn't exist.

To answer your question, no I don't want a fake PlayStation car that pretends to be 6MT ICE

You don't have to transport electricity. The savings in transporting billions of gallons of gas a year is considerable. It encourages more regions to convert to clean energy to maintain the grid as well.

No one is making anything up and they don't need to.

That's not entirely true. Transporting electricity requires very significant investment in the form of billion dollar transmission lines. These lines are very subject to weather in the form of hail, tornadoes (or just high winds), heavy rains, ice storms, heavy snow falls, etc. when these lines do fail, they're very costly to repair and it isn't usually done overnight. It usually takes a few days to a few weeks because a lot of the infrastructure is very remote.

Adding on, an ice storm in northern Canada can affect the power availability in Texas. This is an exaggeration, but you might get the point. A lot of the electricity used by the US, is actually imported from Canada and our hydro electric dams.

Electricity is dirt cheap here and gas is super expensive, but it isn't all roses. There are huge cost factors, there are land claims, there are lots of unintended consequences with electricity.

Yes but these lines already exist to provide power outside of powering our vehicles. The burning of fuel to transport only fuel would be eradicated. One fuel truck driving and filling up the local gas station is for a set number of uses. A power line provides continuous energy for multiple uses. Also, with residential solar panels becoming more and more the norm, the reliance on grid power is reduced.

The power grid (at least in Canada) is already under strain and is going to need major infrastructure upgrades to be able to support millions of EV's in addition to current demand. (And that doesn't include the charging network required)

If people want to own one vehicle for both around town and longer trips the most suitable solution right now is a plug in hybrid. Gives you options for recharging, allows you to take proper road trips without worrying about charging network and gets you some pretty great mileage.

The grid will be improved, range will increase, charging time will decrease, charging stations will become more numerous. It's the exact same thing as when the ICE automobile was invented. I'm not sure why people can't see that. It's not like the ICE automobile was instantly accessible to everyone right away. Gas stations had to be built, a distribution network had to be created, oil refined.

Correct but you are talking a decade or longer. Plug in hybrids can be driven right now with zero inconvenience.

jmg · 01-05-2022, 11:32 AM