[BRAKE!]

Originally Posted by Alarmin

Just asking this out of curiosity - we are entering a phase where electric will most likely be the future of all cars. If electric introduced a "gear shift" functionality that could mimic the feeling of actual shifting - and perhaps be programmed to feel like different cars - do you think you'd buy into it? Or too gimmicky?

I would. I would also champion fabricated noise into the car. If I can’t get my hands on ICE in the future, the next best thing would be to replicate the feeling somehow.

In terms of the review above, paddle shifting, I think, is less involving while driving out on the road, but on the track, paddle shifting is much better and more involving as I can drive much faster and with less fear of constantly taking my hand off the wheel to shift

[Forzanerazzurri]

Originally Posted by BRAKE!

I would. I would also champion fabricated noise into the car. If I can’t get my hands on ICE in the future, the next best thing would be to replicate the feeling somehow.

In terms of the review above, paddle shifting, I think, is less involving while driving out on the road, but on the track, paddle shifting is much better and more involving as I can drive much faster and with less fear of constantly taking my hand off the wheel to shift

You'd want a car that insults your intelligence? The fake engine sound on this car is bad enough but at least you can turn it off.

[Lightngsvt]

Can you get a RWD Comp w/a manual, or are all Comps auto? I'm thankful BMW, and a few other mfg's, are still making manuals. I wish BMW still offered them on the M-Performance models too though.

AS for an electric with a manual trans & ICE engine sounds... I think I could get behind a manual with an electric drivetrain, I believe there have been a couple of SEMA cars built this way (not BMW's). The fake ICE sounds, I don't see where it could hurt as long as its something you could turn off. Isn't that one of the big complaints of the lack of engine sounds?

[BRAKE!]

Originally Posted by Lightngsvt

Can you get a RWD Comp w/a manual, or are all Comps auto? I'm thankful BMW, and a few other mfg's, are still making manuals. I wish BMW still offered them on the M-Performance models too though.

AS for an electric with a manual trans & ICE engine sounds... I think I could get behind a manual with an electric drivetrain, I believe there have been a couple of SEMA cars built this way (not BMW's). The fake ICE sounds, I don't see where it could hurt as long as its something you could turn off. Isn't that one of the big complaints of the lack of engine sounds?

All comps are auto. Kinda sucks

[GoodGuyAvi]

Originally Posted by Blindside_137

Hope that the take rate is high enough to remind BMW the demand is there to keep developing/producing them, as cars become less and less engaging.

I ordered this car in manual just to remind them that. And I would pay more for the manual if we need it.

[MTM3]

Originally Posted by AvetNY

I ordered this car in manual just to remind them that. And I would pay more for the manual if we need it.

[jmg]

Originally Posted by AvetNY

I ordered this car in manual just to remind them that. And I would pay more for the manual if we need it.

I have to admit that there is a bit of regret that I didn't order a manual. My first cars were all manuals, I've been driving manuals all my life. I think that missing the manual is going to be inevitable. It's a shame that the top trim level M3/4 is an auto, not even a DCT. However, I'm convinced, for the most part, that experiencing the first AWD M3/4 was worth losing the 6MT, simply because

a) I have no realistic direct control in BMW including a 6MT in the Comp X-Drive. I could get a 6MT in protest, but that's not really worth it because…

b) …I only plan on keeping this car for 3 years and I can probably pick up a 6MT LCI once I scratch this itch. Besides…

c) …if were to choose the last 6MT that I will ever get the chance to own, it will probably be a Cayman GTS or GT4.

[Lady Jane]

My dad taught me how to drive a stick when I was fourteen. Most of my former vehicles were manual until I came to BMW. Although the paddle shifter in Sport+ is fun and quick, it's not just the same.

Love the video. Thanks Mani59 for posting.

[tna3]

Originally Posted by jmg

c) …if were to choose the last 6MT that I will ever get the chance to own, it will probably be a Cayman GTS or GT4.

I hate to be the bearer of bad news. Cayman's are becoming very very tough to find and to get an allocation for unless you want the 4 cylinder ones. Used GT4's (ones with the more recent 4.0) are going $20 to 30K over MSRP and these cars are expected to be replaced by EV versions for MY 2024. You will likely have an easier time getting an M3/4 6MT but who knows for how long. BMW could pull the carpet from us at any time.

[adc]

Originally Posted by MTM3

Why fix what isn’t broken
ICE cars with modern catalytic converters are doing less damage than your neighbors gas lawn mower.
It’s like tree huggers and vegans invented the problem that doesn’t exist.

I doubt that.

It seems that 1h with a gas lawn mower is equivalent to 100 mile trip in a modern ICE car, according to a study from Sweden. My lawn requires between 2-3 30-min cuttings a month in the warm season, so let's say 20 cutting sessions per year, 30 min each. That is the same as 10 x 1h sessions, or 10 x 100 mile car trip equivalents, or 1,000 mile total.

I'm driving about 6k miles per year in my car, plus another 5-6k in the family car, and we are a 4 car family.

So no, not even close.

[MTM3]

Originally Posted by adc

I doubt that.

It seems that 1h with a gas lawn mower is equivalent to 100 mile trip in a modern ICE car, according to a study from Sweden. My lawn requires between 2-3 30-min cuttings a month in the warm season, so let's say 20 cutting sessions per year, 30 min each. That is the same as 10 x 1h sessions, or 10 x 100 mile car trip equivalents, or 1,000 mile total.

I'm driving about 6k miles per year in my car, plus another 5-6k in the family car, and we are a 4 car family.

So no, not even close.

Lol you must have a high end lawn mower. When we have riding mower next door cutting grass you can’t be outside without suffocating from exhaust. Lol

Btw you almost lost me at Sweden. That’s like the last place I would expect to be impartial towards ICE

[adc]

Originally Posted by MTM3

Lol you must have a high end lawn mower. When we have riding mower next door cutting grass you can’t be outside without suffocating from exhaust. Lol

Btw you almost lost me at Sweden. That’s like the last place I would expect to be impartial towards ICE

These Studies are not done on samples of one, so there must have been all sorts of cars and mowers involved. Both the lawn mowers and automobiles in that study were ICE’s, so hated with equal passion.

The point is, cars still pollute far more than lawn mowers. Pick some other category, buses, trucks, ships etc and you may be right.

[MTM3]

Originally Posted by adc

These Studies are not done on samples of one, so there must have been all sorts of cars and mowers involved. Both the lawn mowers and automobiles in that study were ICE’s, so hated with equal passion.

The point is, cars still pollute far more than lawn mowers. Pick some other category, buses, trucks, ships etc and you may be right.

Doesn’t matter. As political as this topic is I wouldn’t trust any study especially from a tree hugging country like Sweden.

[DDS2015]

Originally Posted by jmg

You don't have to transport electricity. The savings in transporting billions of gallons of gas a year is considerable. It encourages more regions to convert to clean energy to maintain the grid as well.

No one is making anything up and they don't need to.

That's not entirely true. Transporting electricity requires very significant investment in the form of billion dollar transmission lines. These lines are very subject to weather in the form of hail, tornadoes (or just high winds), heavy rains, ice storms, heavy snow falls, etc. when these lines do fail, they're very costly to repair and it isn't usually done overnight. It usually takes a few days to a few weeks because a lot of the infrastructure is very remote.

Adding on, an ice storm in northern Canada can affect the power availability in Texas. This is an exaggeration, but you might get the point. A lot of the electricity used by the US, is actually imported from Canada and our hydro electric dams.

Electricity is dirt cheap here and gas is super expensive, but it isn't all roses. There are huge cost factors, there are land claims, there are lots of unintended consequences with electricity.

[jmg]

Originally Posted by DDS2015

That's not entirely true. Transporting electricity requires very significant investment in the form of billion dollar transmission lines. These lines are very subject to weather in the form of hail, tornadoes (or just high winds), heavy rains, ice storms, heavy snow falls, etc. when these lines do fail, they're very costly to repair and it isn't usually done overnight. It usually takes a few days to a few weeks because a lot of the infrastructure is very remote.

Adding on, an ice storm in northern Canada can affect the power availability in Texas. This is an exaggeration, but you might get the point. A lot of the electricity used by the US, is actually imported from Canada and our hydro electric dams.

Electricity is dirt cheap here and gas is super expensive, but it isn't all roses. There are huge cost factors, there are land claims, there are lots of unintended consequences with electricity.

Yes but these lines already exist to provide power outside of powering our vehicles. The burning of fuel to transport only fuel would be eradicated. One fuel truck driving and filling up the local gas station is for a set number of uses. A power line provides continuous energy for multiple uses. Also, with residential solar panels becoming more and more the norm, the reliance on grid power is reduced.

[Jim B]

Originally Posted by jmg

Yes but these lines already exist to provide power outside of powering our vehicles. The burning of fuel to transport only fuel would be eradicated. One fuel truck driving and filling up the local gas station is for a set number of uses. A power line provides continuous energy for multiple uses. Also, with residential solar panels becoming more and more the norm, the reliance on grid power is reduced.

One thing, solar panels don't work when the sun goes down in the evening.

[jmg]

Originally Posted by Jim B

One thing, solar panels don't work when the sun goes down in the evening.

And?

[DDS2015]

Originally Posted by jmg

Yes but these lines already exist to provide power outside of powering our vehicles. The burning of fuel to transport only fuel would be eradicated. One fuel truck driving and filling up the local gas station is for a set number of uses. A power line provides continuous energy for multiple uses. Also, with residential solar panels becoming more and more the norm, the reliance on grid power is reduced.

Yes, some lines exist. But the majority of that infrastructure was developed many decades ago and our power consumption is very different now.

Solar works fine in desert areas, but not so well in many other places, plus solar panels are incredibly expensive.

Hydrogen really is the fuel of the future, but the tech isn't quite there yet.

[jmg]

Originally Posted by DDS2015

Yes, some lines exist. But the majority of that infrastructure was developed many decades ago and our power consumption is very different now.

Solar works fine in desert areas, but not so well in many other places, plus solar panels are incredibly expensive.

Hydrogen really is the fuel of the future, but the tech isn't quite there yet.

Like any new technology there will be a period of adaptation. We can't just say we can't do it because our infrastructure can't take it. We improve on the infrastructure because it in the long run it is advantageous. New technology breeds newer technology. That's how we've evolved for thousands of years.

When the light bulb was invented, Henry Morton doubted we could get electricity to every single home. He called the lightbulb a failure. He was very very wrong. We adapted. We will adapt again.

[Custom Install]

When I lived in LA back in 2007 I briefly worked in the solar panel installation sector.
I had a background in electronics and when the weather prevented us from working outside the owner of the company asked me to work on special projects in the shop.
We developed a solar PV roof for the Toyota Prius, a PV roof for a golf cart and a PV roof for a Toyota SUV.
I spent weeks laying up the individual cells, soldering the connections, completing the circuits, vacuum bagging the Roof layup, taking it to a aerospace facility for autoclave procedure to find that the PV cells had cracked and we had to start again.
For the few successful PV roofs we completed we could add +30miles range to a standard Prius if left parked in the CA sun all day.
Back then it was cutting edge, just makes me realise how far things have come in todays EV market.

[Hephaestus]

Originally Posted by Jim B

Excellent video. I have one on order, but it is still stuck in the Order Bank for 4 months since I ordered it, just a bunch of 1's and 0's on a hard drive somewhere in the BMW system. When it does finally get built, it will be Isle of Man Green with the Tartufo brown full leather interior and the 825M bi-color wheels. The Frozen Black on this car makes it look like a rat rod. In general, I hate matte finishes on cars. Cars like the M4 should SHINE! I also hate all black wheels on a lot of cars these cays, including M cars.


Save the manuals!

Good. Hate mine because it’s a frozen black M4 6MT with white interior in order receive. Who cares what idiots on this blog say

[ChrisM4]

Originally Posted by jmg

Yes but these lines already exist to provide power outside of powering our vehicles. The burning of fuel to transport only fuel would be eradicated. One fuel truck driving and filling up the local gas station is for a set number of uses. A power line provides continuous energy for multiple uses. Also, with residential solar panels becoming more and more the norm, the reliance on grid power is reduced.

The power grid (at least in Canada) is already under strain and is going to need major infrastructure upgrades to be able to support millions of EV's in addition to current demand. (And that doesn't include the charging network required)

If people want to own one vehicle for both around town and longer trips the most suitable solution right now is a plug in hybrid. Gives you options for recharging, allows you to take proper road trips without worrying about charging network and gets you some pretty great mileage.