M4 CSL v GT3 RS vs Z06 -- by Jason Cammisa of Hagerty

02M3ForMe · 06-28-2023, 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Asymmetrick

I am not sure I see your point that the video has "single-handedly kill[ed] the CSL market". Do you know a reasonable person who predicted/expected the CSL would beat the GT3 RS when Hagerty announced this match up?

People looking to pay CSL-money are not cross-shopping for a GT3 RS.

Correct. The matchup is with the Z06, not the 3RS.

CanAutM3 · 06-28-2023, 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by strohw

Help me out with the temperature thing. Why does it matter if it's cold out? Each vehicle will plenty warm by the time they try to set a lap time. As long as all the vehicles were run on the same day in relatively the same temperature window then it won't matter.

What I'm surprised about was BMW not putting a set of regular Cup2 on. The car doesn't come with the PS4 so they already deviated from the OEM configuration. Why drop down to the OEM M4 tire, just because you have them laying around? It sucks either way because now the car is represented in the way it should be.

That is incorrect. The CSL can be optioned from the factory either with PS4S or PSC2R. The PSC2 are the ones not offered on the CSL.

strohw · 06-29-2023, 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by CanAutM3

That is incorrect. The CSL can be optioned from the factory either with PS4S or PSC2R. The PSC2 are the ones not offered on the CSL.

Thanks, I didn't know they offered both options. I guess I should of assumed they did. It's not like the Z06 doesn't do the same thing.

CanAutM3 · 06-29-2023, 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by strohw

Thanks, I didn't know they offered both options. I guess I should of assumed they did. It's not like the Z06 doesn't do the same thing.

I agree, it is completely lame that they did not test all 3 cars with their track oriented tire options. Just opens up a pandora box of futile argumentation.

HudsonHornett · 07-01-2023, 05:19 AM

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Originally Posted by G MONEY

Lol. Here come all the reasons why it’s not as fast. If it loses in a straight line, it’s always the same comment. Take it to the turns/ not built for drag racing. Loses in the turns, it’s a sedan/ not a sports car No downforce blah blah. It’s a cool car!! Most won’t see a track and if the do , will never put to their limit. We can’t drive that good 🤣😘. Again, who is gonna leave it stock anyway😃. So it will be faster after the DP/Tune and some E

What a bizarre comment. It’s a limited edition, fun, fast car that can be enjoyed on track. Mine will get to see a track and it won’t be tuned either. It’s an absolutely brilliant car exactly as it is. Are there faster cars than it in a straight line? Sure and faster cars on track too, but that doesn’t make the CSL anything other than an absolutely sensational car to drive. I use mine all the time and every time I go out it feels special both from the drive itself to the positive way people react to it (which I wasn’t expecting at all).

G MONEY · 07-01-2023, 07:06 AM

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Originally Posted by HudsonHornett

What a bizarre comment. It’s a limited edition, fun, fast car that can be enjoyed on track. Mine will get to see a track and it won’t be tuned either. It’s an absolutely brilliant car exactly as it is. Are there faster cars than it in a straight line? Sure and faster cars on track too, but that doesn’t make the CSL anything other than an absolutely sensational car to drive. I use mine all the time and every time I go out it feels special both from the drive itself to the positive way people react to it (which I wasn’t expecting at all).

Glad you are enjoying it and using it the way you are. . Never said it’s not great. It’s not a bizarre comment. It’s what all the M car nut swingers bring up when they lose. Lol. I’ve had 4 M cars so far. I’ve liked them all. My biggest gripe with them lately is how they sound, which is fucking awful. It’s ridiculous that people are spending 90 grand on a sports car and that’s what they sound like. 🤢🤮🤢🤮. Keep driving yours like
You stole it bud.

HudsonHornett · 07-01-2023, 07:15 AM

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Originally Posted by G MONEY

Glad you are enjoying it and using it the way you are. . Never said it’s not great. It’s not a bizarre comment. It’s what all the M car nut swingers bring up when they lose. Lol. I’ve had 4 M cars so far. I’ve liked them all. My biggest gripe with them lately is how they sound, which is fucking awful. It’s ridiculous that people are spending 90 grand on a sports car and that’s what they sound like. 🤢🤮🤢🤮. Keep driving yours like
You stole it bud.

There’s simply no point in saying that x is faster than y. There’s always a faster bit of kit somewhere whether that’s in a straight line or around a track. But when I get mine on track I’m going to film it, so you guys can all enjoy watching it on track. 😉

Hit_Apex · 07-01-2023, 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by G MONEY

My biggest gripe with them lately is how they sound, which is fucking awful. It’s ridiculous that people are spending 90 grand on a sports car and that’s what they sound like. 🤢🤮🤢🤮.

Engineered specifically to upset you, lol
https://youtu.be/5_LSv6jf6fg

G MONEY · 07-01-2023, 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Hit_Apex

Engineered specifically to upset you, lol
https://youtu.be/5_LSv6jf6fg

Anyone who says they sound good is just justifying their purchase. Which is fine. Most enthusiasts know a good sounding car. And these ain’t fucking that. Lol

Chicane_ · 07-01-2023, 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by G MONEY

Anyone who says they sound good is just justifying their purchase. Which is fine. Most enthusiasts know a good sounding car. And these ain’t fucking that. Lol

Sounds good to me and I’m not trying to justify anything.