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That’s the point, it doesn’t keep up. I am not sure why it was pitted against those two to start with, it’s not even in the same league. Already, comparing the CSL to the GT3 is a stretch, to a GT3RS is a bit ridiculous.
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That’s interesting, because there is no short supply in PSC2R in other specs. My tire dealer just offered me a set in N-spec (I declined, I rather stick (pun intended) with the regular PSC2).
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Maybe the situation is different in North America? But I have a Michelin Brand ambassador looking into getting a Cup2R for me and I’m not expecting it to arrive any time soon.
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I think it was an interesting comparison and a great watch. Nothing wrong with showing the difference between these 3 cars. But I wouldn’t expect the CSL to get anywhere near a GT3RS, in fact I wouldn’t expect anything to be close to a GT3 RS.
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05-22-2023, 03:23 PM | #49 |
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for proper compare you need to compare M4 GT3 to the GT3 i would have thought? sorry a noob at GTx cars ...
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Hell no! I said this in another thread....Why isn't BMW building us a car that is on par with the competition? These almost, close, if only... type of descriptions is getting on my nerves! Build a FUCKING CAR that challenges the competition!!! Stop building these one trick ponies! BMW continues to build cash cow models....competition, CS, CSL and so on! And these are the roots of the "M" division? The only models BMW is making these days are BS!
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I love Jason but he lost me at PS4S for the CSL lol
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LOL a Cadillac land barge is faster around a racetrack then the purpose built M car.
Love it.
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Great video.
Re-run this with Cup 2R on a normal-temp day. The CSL will for sure turn a quicker time than CT5 BW, Plaid, etc. |
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I hope so because the BW is also running street tires and it has extra two seats, 4 doors and is a manual.
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But it does! Think about it:
BMW did build a ~145K car (the M4 CSL) that outperforms other ~145K$ cars (i.e., Porsche 911C2S or 718GT4, comparably equipped with PCCB, Carbon roof, Carbon bucket seats, etc). Even the 911GT3RS get beat by more expensive cars. It is unfair to compare it to the Rimac Nevera or Mercedes AMG One (i.e., the current Nurburgring champ). By the same token, why would anyone feel the need to compare the M4 CSL with the 911 GT3RS, a car almost twice its price? For the money, the M4 CSL is delivering awesome performance IMO. You are getting 911 GTS performance with the M4 CSL for the price of a comparably equipped Carrera 2S. That is not "on par" with the competition, this IS BMW beating the competition. --- PS. The overall winner of this comparison is the Z06. Its performance is nearly that of the GT3RS, but for much less $$$.
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Likely not if you put the track pack on the Plaid. This completion was based on what the cars ship with from what I can tell. The BMW is good value for money.
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The fact that the CSL achieved a similar time to a car with 120 more horsepower (on a track which favors cars with more power), in freezing temps, I think speaks to how capable the CSL is.
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I'm still not jumping on the EV train even with the sound enhancements. The sound just shrinks the size of the large pill making it easier to swallow. (Even a hybrid would be a real stretch for me). I can only see ICE cars for me in the near future unless something drastically changes to the scale of Mad Max/Road Warrior.
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But in the meantime, we'll soon have a bunch of 2-second EVs all around us pumping out fake sounds. Kids are going to love it. They'll "tune" their EVs to be crazy fast, even if the range is only 50 miles. Crazy acceleration with fake engine noises blaring out through external speakers will be the craze. The youth will go from burble tunes to audio hack "tunes". Running through your neighborhood soon will be EVs with artificial soundtracks...first with Stang, Chevy and Vette V8 soundtracks, and then they'll graduate to Lambo, Ferrari, and AMG sound enhancements. You'll see a Kia EV leaving you for dead when the light turns green, complete with a GT3 engine pouring out from it. We'll miss the simplicity of ASD only affecting the interior. We better enjoy these days, don't take them for granted. Many of us are going to struggle to remain as excited as car enthusiasts in the future, and the future is right around the corner. Many of us will remain "stuck in the past". We're going to look just like those old guys at today's meets with their 60's muscle cars, meets filled today with Porsches, M cars, AMGs, C8s, and Hemis. Kids will simply ignore us and our "fast" 3-second ICE cars, as they jump in their escape-velocity, less-than-2-second EVs (with the V10 soundtrack pouring out). Last edited by KevinGS; 05-22-2023 at 10:04 PM.. |
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