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      10-26-2018, 03:57 PM   #45
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Any time lines when it will be released? Is the M3 expected to be out before the new 4 series?
That is a distinct possibility, yes:

https://g20.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh...4#post23483664

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Yes, I believe the coupes have always come a little after the sedans.
Not true for the M3/M4. In generations where there was a sedan (E36, E9x, F8x), the coupe either came first or they came at the same time.

Now, as far as the 3 Series sedan vs. the 3 Series coupe and now the 4 Series are concerned, yes, the sedan comes roughly a year and a half before the coupe. That, however, has never caused the release timing of the M3/M4 variants to be similarly staggered, but as you will learn if you read the above thread, that could change for this generation.
Bear in mind that BMW AG will want the future X3M/X4M on the market for at least 1 year prior to the G80. I don't see the G80 and F82/F83 concomitantly being manufactured. It's not an economics of scale business model and would be a logistics nightmare for just in time production. For example, it's no coincidence that for the new G05 individual options were not available until March 2019 when the order guides were released back in June, as that's also when the G07 starts production.
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      10-26-2018, 04:00 PM   #46
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Looks like I'm not going to get that F30 340i ZHP after all just to get a manual transmission. I'll save a few more pennies and just get the G80 M3. I'm glad I waited although I'm apprehensive about the cost.

For those that might know, is it still good practice to wait a year or two after the M3 is released like the regular 3 series? Without fail, the first year or two of 3 series always has a lot of little annoying issues. Is it not like that for the M3 since it's largely based on the regular 3 series? Or are there other issues the M cars face even though their platforms are a bit more mature?

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      10-26-2018, 04:02 PM   #47
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For those that might know, is it still good practice to wait a year or two after the M3 is released like the regular 3 series? Without fail, the first year or two of 3 series always has a lot of little annoying issues. Is it not like that for the M3 since it's largely based on the regular 3 series? Or are there other issues the M cars face even though their platforms are a bit more mature?
This will be the first time in a long time that M3 won't debut a brand new engine when it comes to market. So the concern is still valid but not as significant as before.
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releasing a base and competition at the same time?

why not call the new m3/4 competition the base model and just get rid of the slightly shittier model?

my profession is not in business, maybe that's why I dont see the point in simultaneous release of both models.

yay for MT
how about this business model..


base model
S
GT
GTS
GT3
GT3RS

? does this make sense.. ?

if so.. then...

base model
Competition model (not packet)
CS
CSL

should make some business sense..

in other words.. WHY MAKE PEOPLE WAIT TWO YEARS into production for a comp model when you can sell a comp model the entire time..



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      10-26-2018, 04:04 PM   #49
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Yeah... manual!!!
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      10-26-2018, 04:08 PM   #50
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Bear in mind that BMW AG will want the future X3M/X4M on the market for at least 1 year prior to the G80.
I think they will release the products exactly when the market conditions demand, regardless of whether that means introducing multiple products concurrently.

The X3 M, X4 M, X5 M, M8 coupe, and M8 convertible all debut and go into production by mid-to-late next year for MY2020. The X6 M will arrive either at the time of the X5 M or in 1H 2020, and the M8 Gran Coupe will come around that timeframe as well. There is even the possibility of an X7 M in 2020 as well.

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I don't see the G80 and F82/F83 concomitantly being manufactured.
The F90 went into production while the F06/F12 M6 were still in production.

Regarding manufacturing, the G80 can be moved to Regensburg so that it shares a line with the 3 Series.

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It's not an economics of scale business model and would be a logistics nightmare for just in time production.
Sure, and BMW no doubt faces challenges along those lines all the time

There is nothing compelling enough in your conjecture to conclude that BMW simply cannot/will not start production of the G80 in late 2019 or early 2020 for release in the first half of 2020. They will do what they need to in order to time the product release where it makes sense in the market.
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My guess is the manual will be RWD only.
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Wooooow this is amazing... next car will be M2C or M3 with manual
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My guess is the manual will be RWD only.
There will not be any surprises: MT paired with RWD, AT with x-drive.
It doesn't make any sense to think it will be otherwise.
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Any chance of a DCT?

My recollection is that the DCT was supposed to die with the F series cars...I am still holding out hope for the G series....

I want no part of a ZF....
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My guess is the manual will be RWD only.
There will not be any surprises: MT paired with RWD, AT with x-drive.
It doesn't make any sense to think it will be otherwise.
Because?
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how about this business model..


base model
S
GT
GTS
GT3
GT3RS

? does this make sense.. ?

if so.. then...

base model
Competition model (not packet)
CS
CSL

should make some business sense..

in other words.. WHY MAKE PEOPLE WAIT TWO YEARS into production for a comp model when you can sell a comp model the entire time..



" MO MONEY.. MO MONEY.. MO MONEY.. "
I thought the base --> comp --> CS --> CSL was confirmed for future Ms? With base and comp released together from the outset?

Perhaps that was just conjecture, but I thought someone @ M had said that was the plan.
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Any chance of a DCT?

My recollection is that the DCT was supposed to die with the F series cars...I am still holding out hope for the G series....

I want no part of a ZF....
that idea is deader than dead because BMW stopped paying to develop DCT IIRC because they would have to make a beefier DCT to handle 500+ hp. hence.. MX drive and AT

https://www.whichcar.com.au/news/bmw...ithin-a-decade

" In the past, the shifting speed of a DCT was much faster and the other big advantage is weight - it’s much lighter. We can do the same shifting times now with an automatic and also weight reduction is also something where we made good progress.”

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If the X-Drive is the same as in the M5, and comes with manual as well, very few would choose a RWD as the xdrive is faster and can still be RWD...
I’m one of those few. Don’t need AWD, don’t need the weight or complexity and for me it is overrated.

I want to do things myself on track, I don’t want the car to do them for me. It’s why I skipped the Mitsubishi Evo and stayed with BMW.

No RWD and manual means no sale for me.
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My guess is the manual will be RWD only.
There will not be any surprises: MT paired with RWD, AT with x-drive.
It doesn't make any sense to think it will be otherwise.
yes lets choose the most expensive production option lol
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I thought the base --> comp --> CS --> CSL was confirmed for future Ms? With base and comp released together from the outset?

Perhaps that was just conjecture, but I thought someone @ M had said that was the plan.
Correct, yes indeed that is the plan. and it has already begun on the M5 (which has a comp model rolled out and a " first ever M5 CS " variant apparently on the way)

I was just reiterating this new structure as so many people are new to finding it out.. specifically as well for @chongo who was at a loss for why BMW would have a business case for going to a multiple model hierarchy as opposed to option packages

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If the X-Drive is the same as in the M5, and comes with manual as well, very few would choose a RWD as the xdrive is faster and can still be RWD...
I’m one of those few. Don’t need AWD, don’t need the weight or complexity and for me it is overrated.

I want to do things myself on track, I don’t want the car to do them for me. It’s why I skipped the Mitsubishi Evo and stayed with BMW.

No RWD and manual means no sale for me.
I realize some people use their cars exclusively on track, like you.

For us that use it like it was designed, for street and track use, AWD would make a lot of sense... sure it weighs a little more but it'd make a lot of sense.

The only downside would be weighing 150lbs more... but the added performance, especially in the winter and when wet, would make it a no-brainer for a year-rounder performance and fun car.
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I don't see the point to spec this car with a MT when the sales account for single digit %.
Plus as someone has already said, these cars are always performance optimized with the more advanced drivetrain anyways. The gearing on the MT is never optimal and always run taller to hit fuel economy targets.
Weight savings are minimal in as well (about 1-2%)

if you want to shift use a paddle...
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If the X-Drive is the same as in the M5, and comes with manual as well, very few would choose a RWD as the xdrive is faster and can still be RWD...
No. I would still chose RWD any day
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If the X-Drive is the same as in the M5, and comes with manual as well, very few would choose a RWD as the xdrive is faster and can still be RWD...
No. I would still chose RWD any day
Ok, why
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If the X-Drive is the same as in the M5, and comes with manual as well, very few would choose a RWD as the xdrive is faster and can still be RWD...
I would take the lighter, more nimble car.
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