[DavesZupra4]

Originally Posted by Jackie Chiles

0-60 in 3.1 or 3.2 for the Tesla Model 3.

Unless you’ve got xDrive or lots of dough in mods in your M3/4 you won’t win the typical spontaneous urban/suburban drag race.

Totally agree that the Model 3 loses steam around 90-100. And it does look like refrigerator.

In some ways I will miss my Model 3. For instance, with all wheel drive it is fun to drive 365 days a year.

But I am jonesing for an M4 xDrive. In line for an allocation.

Eh plz tell me you bought your m4 to track it and not "race" it on the street in a straight line..might as well get a model s plaid if your into drag racing

[hellcat2m4]

Downpipes and tune M3/M4 are in the mid 2's 0-60, trap 135-141 in the 1/4, and run high 5's 60-130. We also do this without counting the tesla "rollout", many people are getting 3.1 (no rollout) on bone stock ones including myself.

model 3 60-130 is in the 12's which is laughable, trap speed is like 115, its not even close except the 0-60.

The only tesla we need to worry about losing a race to is the plaid for those of us that are modded, and stock guys beat a model 3 performance every single time assuming they know how to launch.

[Jackie Chiles]

Originally Posted by DavesZupra4

Eh plz tell me you bought your m4 to track it and not "race" it on the street in a straight line..might as well get a model s plaid if your into drag racing

Meh. I spent many years on race tracks across the US and Canada. On and off from 1976 to 2016. The track still has an allure but the reality is that 99% of my M4's milage will be on public roadways.

[HNSKP]

If you live in a major metro area, you can probably rent a plaid for a few days to get your fix of ridiculous acceleration. That’s what I did and it’s fun for a short while before your mind recalibrates and the dopamine rush wears off. Happy to live with my G80 6MT everyday.

[DO444]

Originally Posted by wtwo3

I think the standard metric that's been pushed is 0-100kph... which roughly translates to 0-60 if we wanna keep nice, clean whole numbers.

But practically speaking I agree it's stupid. It's traction limited. Something like 30-50 and 50-70 would be more telling of acceleration. And if we do standing starts, 1/4 mile along with trap speed is a good metric.

Which the turbo would still win, so who cares what you call it.

It’s amusing to see people in a huff bout “meaningless” 0-60 times… now that ICE couldn’t win if it’s life depended on it.

On the whole, it’s a metric and it’s as useful as it has ever been. For a daily driven vehicle the 0-60 is and always will be useful and interesting since most normal people (I.e - not you) drive their vehicles from stoplight to stoplight 90% of their life.

The 0-60 is for them.
Regardless, the whole ‘test’ was Bs as is this post. The Porsche killed it, obviously.

An m3 isn’t beating a 911 turbo in anything except price.

[Acejam]

I currently drive a 2021 Model 3 Performance. I've been thinking about ordering an M3CX since I miss the engine and exhaust notes from an ICE. Stopped by a local dealer today who kindly let me test drive a pre-owned M4 xDrive convertible to help me get some better insight into the G8x platform and the S58.

The car sounded and handled great. But I have to admit, after driving the Tesla for 2 years now, ripping and manually shifting the M4 from 1st through 4th felt reasonably slow. It was as if I was only applying ~70% throttle in the Tesla. This leaves me rather bummed, as I've been wanting to order an M3CX for some time now, and have always wanted an M3.

Has anyone else had a similar experience? I rarely even drive on the highway these days, so 60-130 performance doesn't really apply here.

[Jackie Chiles]

Originally Posted by Acejam

I currently drive a 2021 Model 3 Performance. I've been thinking about ordering an M3CX since I miss the engine and exhaust notes from an ICE. Stopped by a local dealer today who kindly let me test drive a pre-owned M4 xDrive convertible to help me get some better insight into the G8x platform and the S58.

The car sounded and handled great. But I have to admit, after driving the Tesla for 2 years now, ripping and manually shifting the M4 from 1st through 4th felt reasonably slow. It was as if I was only applying ~70% throttle in the Tesla. This leaves me rather bummed, as I've been wanting to order an M3CX for some time now, and have always wanted an M3.

Has anyone else had a similar experience? I rarely even drive on the highway these days, so 60-130 performance doesn't really apply here.

I just traded in a 2020 M3P for an M4CX that I should have in about 10 days. Let’s touch base in two weeks.

[hellcat2m4]

Originally Posted by ismailkho

It's fortunate that you encountered that car on the highway.

Most Teslas, except for the Plaid models and some of the older Pxx versions, have poor top-end acceleration. If you were to race a Tesla from a standstill, it would quickly leave you behind until around 70 or 80 miles per hour. At that point, the Tesla driver could let off the accelerator and claim victory.

I personally enjoy driving my Model 3 and showing off its impressive performance capabilities to other drivers during my daily commute. However, I don't bother trying to race on the highway, at least not until I upgrade to a Plaid model.

Quickly leave what car behind?

There are many videos showing a bone stock m3 xdrive beating the model 3. A simple tune only m3 mops the floor with a model 3 performance getting to 60 in 2.5 seconds (not including lame rollout like tesla owners do to make it seem faster).

Stop spreading false info.

[2011ninja]

Originally Posted by Limegrntaln

I love this shit.

Ninja, check this.

https://youtu.be/d7FNwRAQipA

Mannnn

People be magazine racing

They believe anything Elon Dust say.

Until they run into a real G who really about it.

M3 run these streets

[Jackie Chiles]

Originally Posted by hellcat2m4

Quickly leave what car behind?

There are many videos showing a bone stock m3 xdrive beating the model 3. A simple tune only m3 mops the floor with a model 3 performance getting to 60 in 2.5 seconds (not including lame rollout like tesla owners do to make it seem faster).

Stop spreading false info.

Please link to those many vids.

[hellcat2m4]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/xvPn6lP9BBM
(RWD model on this one and still wins)

Dragtimes running a bone stock m3 with dragy numbers and video overlay.

This M4 probably just has a tune I assume.


Theres more, I have faith you can find them.
Look at dragy slips too, everything shows the model 3 performance is slower then a stock M3/M4.

Mine is tuned on ethanol, so i'll let your imagination run wild with that one.

[Mr Friese]

I love both cars, but the fact that an 85k M3 xdrive narrowly beats a 55k Model 3 Perf isn't something worth beating your chest about, lol.

[hellcat2m4]

Originally Posted by Mr Friese

I love both cars, but the fact that an 85k M3 xdrive narrowly beats a 55k Model 3 Perf isn't something worth beating your chest about, lol.

If you call 115-117 trap speed vs 121-125 "narrowly", you should probably go read more about racing.

[Jackie Chiles]

Originally Posted by hellcat2m4

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/xvPn6lP9BBM
(RWD model on this one and still wins)

Dragtimes running a bone stock m3 with dragy numbers and video overlay.

This M4 probably just has a tune I assume.


Theres more, I have faith you can find them.
Look at dragy slips too, everything shows the model 3 performance is slower then a stock M3/M4.

Mine is tuned on ethanol, so i'll let your imagination run wild with that one.

I was thinking about 0-60 times and all the draggy and vids showing guys in M3/4 who barely matched the M3Ps time.

My M4 arrived at the dealer today. I’ll give you a report as to whether the M4 feels faster 0-60.

In some ways the M3P was an awesome car. But it’s a mixed bag. I’m ditching mine for multiple reasons. But none of those reasons are because the M3P was fast as hell and has a significant amount of instantaneous torque, or because you could constantly hammer the rheostat of the MP3 relentlessly without putting significant stress on the motor. And it cost less than $56k when I got mine.

But I bet the M4 is hands down better than the M3. (EDIT: I meant the MP3 Tesla, not the BMW M3. Although we all know that the M4 is way cooler and faster than an M3 sedan. )

[hellcat2m4]

Originally Posted by Jackie Chiles

I was thinking about 0-60 times and all the draggy and vids showing guys in M3/4 who barely matched the M3Ps time.

My M4 arrived at the dealer today. I’ll give you a report as to whether the M4 feels faster 0-60.

In some ways the M3P was an awesome car. But it’s a mixed bag. I’m ditching mine for multiple reasons. But none of those reasons are because the M3P was fast as hell and has a significant amount of instantaneous torque, or because you could constantly hammer the rheostat of the MP3 relentlessly without putting significant stress on the motor. And it cost less than $56k when I got mine.

But I bet the M4 is hands down better than the M3.

For the M3/M4 to get those times you will need to use launch control for sure.

Just program it to your M1/M2 button (DSC off, 4wd, Suspension - Comfort, Throttle - Sport Plus) - These exact settings have gotten me many 3.1-3.2 0-60 times (not counting rollout) when I was still stock.

That way if you ever need to quickly use it (I.e. at a stoplight), just double click the M button and slam the brake and the gas at the same time, wait for the launch control flag on the dash, and you're good to go!

[Jackie Chiles]

Originally Posted by hellcat2m4

For the M3/M4 to get those times you will need to use launch control for sure.

Just program it to your M1/M2 button (DSC off, 4wd, Suspension - Comfort, Throttle - Sport Plus) - These exact settings have gotten me many 3.1-3.2 0-60 times (not counting rollout) when I was still stock.

That way if you ever need to quickly use it (I.e. at a stoplight), just double click the M button and slam the brake and the gas at the same time, wait for the launch control flag on the dash, and you're good to go!

Question: Are those settings in lieu of launch control?

[mirob]

Originally Posted by Jackie Chiles

Question: Are those settings in lieu of launch control?

Nope, that's how you get the most out of your LC.

[hellcat2m4]

Originally Posted by mirob

Nope, that's how you get the most out of your LC.

This^

Best settings to get the most out of the launch. Comfort suspension will allow a tad more weight transfer to the rear for slightly better traction.

[Humdizzle]

5-60 is more important to me than 0-60. lots of cars can sort of cheat the test by building boost off the line. the 5-60 is more realistic because its telling how the car performs where you will be spending most of your time on the street... punching it here and there from a low speed roll. i really dont know anyone who sits at a red light with the tach pinned at 4k waiting for the green to engage launch control.

https://grandtournation.com/cars/her...ket-right-now/

the m3/m4 is around 4.4 because it takes a while for those turbos to actually spool and make power. not much different than a f80 m3 or f87 m2c.

[hellcat2m4]

Originally Posted by Humdizzle

5-60 is more important to me than 0-60. lots of cars can sort of cheat the test by building boost off the line. the 5-60 is more realistic because its telling how the car performs where you will be spending most of your time on the street... punching it here and there from a low speed roll. i really dont know anyone who sits at a red light with the tach pinned at 4k waiting for the green to engage launch control.

https://grandtournation.com/cars/her...ket-right-now/

the m3/m4 is around 4.4 because it takes a while for those turbos to actually spool and make power. not much different than a f80 m3 or f87 m2c.

So using launch control is cheating now?
If thats the case what world are we living in?!

It takes literally half a second to double click an M1/M2 button and be ready to launch. I'm not sure I understand your statement.

I have never been in a 5-60mph race, EVER. Who shuts it down at 60? Either from a dig, or 40-50-60 roll is typical.

I understand to each their own and If you only want a good 5-60 time without using launch control, then yea I agree this might be the wrong car for you.

[Humdizzle]

Originally Posted by hellcat2m4

So using launch control is cheating now?
If thats the case what world are we living in?!

It takes literally half a second to double click an M1/M2 button and be ready to launch. I'm not sure I understand your statement.

I have never been in a 5-60mph race, EVER. Who shuts it down at 60? Either from a dig, or 40-50-60 roll is typical.

I understand to each their own and If you only want a good 5-60 time without using launch control, then yea I agree this might be the wrong car for you.

i just don't like dealing with lag anymore. i used to have fbo e85 gtr that would run a 10.4 @ 135, had a bm3 tune on my f80 (ended up taking it off and going to a CS tune). quick cars. but after going to a 'slower' 458 and 991.2 gt3, i prefer having instant throttle response coming out of corners on backroads where your on and off throttle constantly through corners.

when you put your foot down in a 3.0L S55 or S58, even at 4-5k rpm. the turbo has to spool up before you get max power. you can see it on the roll race video with tesla 3 and g80... 3rd gear @ 50mph and the g80 doesn't start rolling past until 105-110mph.

if you like racing other people on the strip or highway rolls / digs... then yes. cars like the g80 or gtr are great. especially with the tuning capability.

[hellcat2m4]

Originally Posted by Humdizzle

i just don't like dealing with lag anymore. i used to have fbo e85 gtr that would run a 10.4 @ 135, had a bm3 tune on my f80 (ended up taking it off and going to a CS tune). quick cars. but after going to a 'slower' 458 and 991.2 gt3, i prefer having instant throttle response coming out of corners on backroads where your on and off throttle constantly through corners.

when you put your foot down in a 3.0L S55 or S58, even at 4-5k rpm. the turbo has to spool up before you get max power. you can see it on the roll race video with tesla 3 and g80... 3rd gear @ 50mph and the g80 doesn't start rolling past until 105-110mph.

if you like racing other people on the strip or highway rolls / digs... then yes. cars like the g80 or gtr are great. especially with the tuning capability.

Agreed, I can respect that.

Yea for 3rd gear in a g80 you would need to be at 60, 50 isn't ideal for sure. However with just bm3 e30 OTS it's a massive difference, even as far as lag is concerned. Under 3k though I would agree there is noticeable lag, especially when stock.

Also, If I could afford a P car I would probably be in that as well. 2021+ 911 turbo S would be fantastic.