[Salespunk]

Originally Posted by KANdaddy

My lease is up in January. I have owned every M3 except the e30 and, outside of my race cars, the CS has been the most fun to drive. At least I still have a couple month to think about it and research. Wish I could test drive a g80 but no one around here is allowing it.

I can def swing it and it sounds like whatever I decide to do, I will need to go that route. Just turning the CS into the dealer is not an option since they are offering me nothing in terms of equity to get into a new car. One dealer actually told me they could only offer me $2k less that my residual on the car....LOL....ok. Was thinking to buy the CS and then maybe sell its but like someone said here, sounds like I will need to pay taxes twice (I'm in CA)?

Where are you located?

[frankiebones]

Originally Posted by wasya152

Did you sell your the Cs?

turned it in instead of buying it out. I planned on buying it out but I would never ever drive it with the G80 around.

[KANdaddy]

Originally Posted by Salespunk

Where are you located?

Bay Area

[frankiebones]

Listen, the CS is a great car, I put 41k miles on mine, but the G80 is a much, much, much better car. It's not even close. That's probably all you need to hear.

[Salespunk]

Originally Posted by KANdaddy

Bay Area

If you get to San Diego let me know.

[ATX_M3]

This thread hit the nail on the head on a few topics - I have a F80 CS with a lease ending in February with an order submitted (but no production number) for a G80. I live in TX so I paid all of the sales tax up front (ugh) so I'm leaning towards starting the process of buying my CS now and then selling it however I want to sell it when the G80 comes in…

And then there's the G80 itself. I'm sure it's going to be a much better daily driver 350 days out of the year but whether it's as much fun on track and on backroads is my main concern. I drove it at M Track Days and was thoroughly impressed with the handling and I didn't hate the transmission. But I do hear the concerns on it being "numb" - I had the same takeaway after driving the M5 Comp in Thermal. Super fast but not as exciting as the F8X…

Obvious sarcasm here so don't roast me: I guess it really comes down to whether the ventilated seats and power trunk in the G80 make up for the loss of crazy fast shifts of the DCT and the somewhat kinda limited edition "specialness" of the CS? Or will it be the return of comfort access that makes me not miss the CS??

Thx for insights on this thread - good to know I'm in good company on this decision. I seriously change my mind about 2-3x per day but typically lean towards getting the G80.

[KANdaddy]

Originally Posted by ATX_M3

This thread hit the nail on the head on a few topics - I have a F80 CS with a lease ending in February with an order submitted (but no production number) for a G80. I live in TX so I paid all of the sales tax up front (ugh) so I'm leaning towards starting the process of buying my CS now and then selling it however I want to sell it when the G80 comes in…

And then there's the G80 itself. I'm sure it's going to be a much better daily driver 350 days out of the year but whether it's as much fun on track and on backroads is my main concern. I drove it at M Track Days and was thoroughly impressed with the handling and I didn't hate the transmission. But I do hear the concerns on it being "numb" - I had the same takeaway after driving the M5 Comp in Thermal. Super fast but not as exciting as the F8X…

Obvious sarcasm here so don't roast me: I guess it really comes down to whether the ventilated seats and power trunk in the G80 make up for the loss of crazy fast shifts of the DCT and the somewhat kinda limited edition "specialness" of the CS? Or will it be the return of comfort access that makes me not miss the CS??

Thx for insights on this thread - good to know I'm in good company on this decision. I seriously change my mind about 2-3x per day but typically lean towards getting the G80.

I remember people saying the f80 was "numb" compared to the e92 and I didn't think that at all. My guess is that once you get used to the new car, you will not miss the older platform. That seems to be what happens with each new iteration.

My CS went in for service today and I was able to see a newly delivered g80 in person. It was already sold so not test-drive but one thing I was worried about was the size (I hear it is a big as an e39 M5) but it did not seem overly huge to me. I guess at this point, I am leaning toward the g80. I have a few months left to really decide.

[CSBM5]

Originally Posted by KANdaddy

My CS went in for service today and I was able to see a newly delivered g80 in person. It was already sold so not test-drive but one thing I was worried about was the size (I hear it is a big as an e39 M5) but it did not seem overly huge to me. I guess at this point, I am leaning toward the g80. I have a few months left to really decide.

It's actually bigger than the E39 M5. Size-wise (both wheelbase and overall length) it slots right between the E39 M5 and the E60 M5. Weight-wise it obviously beats both of those a good bit.

[bri1042]

Originally Posted by CSBM5

It's actually bigger than the E39 M5. Size-wise (both wheelbase and overall length) it slots right between the E39 M5 and the E60 M5. Weight-wise it obviously beats both of those a good bit.

Yep - I've said it before. This M3 is an M5 and the current M5 is an M7, just like the current Civic is an Accord and an Accord is, uh, something bigger. And the 7 series is a land yacht. Our M3's are wider than any M5 before the F10 M5.

G80: 189″ L x 74″ W x 56″ H
E39 M5: 188.3" L x 70.9" W x 55.6" H
E60 M5: 191.1x72.7x57.8

It isn't a bad thing. The growth of the 3 and 5 series is why there's a 1 and 2 series. Anyone who wants an M car the size of an E46 is looking for an M2 now, not an M3.

[NightWriter]

Originally Posted by bri1042

Yep - I've said it before. This M3 is an M5 and the current M5 is an M7, just like the current Civic is an Accord and an Accord is, uh, something bigger. And the 7 series is a land yacht. Our M3's are wider than any M5 before the F10 M5.

G80: 189″ L x 74″ W x 56″ H
E39 M5: 188.3" L x 70.9" W x 55.6" H
E60 M5: 191.1x72.7x57.8

It isn't a bad thing. The growth of the 3 and 5 series is why there's a 1 and 2 series. Anyone who wants an M car the size of an E46 is looking for an M2 now, not an M3.

Right; to everyone who grumbles about M3 price creep over time: You're getting a car as roomy as the E39 M5, with more power, less weight, more content, better luxury, safer, better fuel economy, and far better performance numbers... Oh, and it costs the same in 2021 dollars as the M5 did in 2020 ($75k)... which adjusted for inflation represents a ~$43k savings.

[ROBERT1183]

Bmw just changed it where a 3rd party dealer cannot buy out the car. It will probably be worth your while to buy the car out and resell it and then go with the G80. I was able to recoup $20k of my lease on my 18 Comp 6 speed. I didnt have a CS but the G80 is an all around upgrade in my opinion from my brief ownership so far over my F80.

[nathanm4]

Originally Posted by frankiebones

Listen, the CS is a great car, I put 41k miles on mine, but the G80 is a much, much, much better car. It's not even close. That's probably all you need to hear.

Simple and to the point! I heard the exact same thing from another CS owner - "I don't miss it after driving G8X."

[CSBM5]

Originally Posted by NightWriter

Right; to everyone who grumbles about M3 price creep over time: You're getting a car as roomy as the E39 M5, with more power, less weight, more content, better luxury, safer, better fuel economy, and far better performance numbers... Oh, and it costs the same in 2021 dollars as the M5 did in 2020 ($75k)... which adjusted for inflation represents a ~$43k savings.

Yep, using October 1999 dollars, the E39 M5 was priced just under $75k (first arrived here in fall of 99 hence reference point). In 2021 $, using the BLS CPI calculator, that's $122,314. It seems moot now, but I was flipping back and forth in 2001 over whether spending another $15k was "worth it" between a 540i/6MT and M5 (I ordered a new 540i and then sold it and bought the M5 shortly thereafter, lol, and had it for 15 years).

$75k for a new G80 6MT is a heck of a deal. That equates back to $24,326 in May 1987 dollars (month I test drove an E30 M3) which is way cheaper than a new E30 M3 was then (MSRP as tested by C&D $34,810). The G80 on an inflation adjusted basis is the cheapest M3 ever sold by BMWNA, and is an outstanding performance sedan bargain imo.

[frankiebones]

Originally Posted by nathanm4

Simple and to the point! I heard the exact same thing from another CS owner - "I don't miss it after driving G8X."

I'm in a CS facebook group. It's a great group, you need to give the admin your vin# to prove you own a CS and join. It's open to M2, M3, M4 and now M5 CS owners. When I tell them a base G80 drives better than an F80 CS the most common response is "well obviously YOU'VE never tracked the car."

That is untrue. People really struggle to grasp the concept that the improvements made from the base F80 to the G80 are far more substantial than the LCI-type of improvements that were made between 2014 and 2018 to the F80 when the CS was launched.

The more people have "invested" in the F8x (in time, money, emotion, mods, etc.), the more likely they are to make this argument.

I have never owned a car in my life, I lease. So I am completely objective. I loved the F80 chassis, I put well over 100k miles on 2 F80s, but it has nothing on the G80 except a minor win in the steering feel column (to me).

[KANdaddy]

Originally Posted by frankiebones

I'm in a CS facebook group. It's a great group, you need to give the admin your vin# to prove you own a CS and join. It's open to M2, M3, M4 and now M5 CS owners. When I tell them a base G80 drives better than an F80 CS the most common response is "well obviously YOU'VE never tracked the car."

That is untrue. People really struggle to grasp the concept that the improvements made from the base F80 to the G80 are far more substantial than the LCI-type of improvements that were made between 2014 and 2018 to the F80 when the CS was launched.

The more people have "invested" in the F8x (in time, money, emotion, mods, etc.), the more likely they are to make this argument.

I have never owned a car in my life, I lease. So I am completely objective. I loved the F80 chassis, I put well over 100k miles on 2 F80s, but it has nothing on the G80 except a minor win in the steering feel column (to me).

Ya, I appreciate your perspective here. I am trying to keep emotion out of it and be as objective as possible being I do adore my CS. So far, after a week of research and reading comments here and f80 forum, my biggest concerns with the G80 are becoming non-issues. 1), that grill: looks absolutely fine to me on a darker color. 2) the transmission: watching this guys review (

) completely dissolves any doubts I had about the new autobox. I think it will be just fine for me. 3) Steering and traction: Seems most people are able to post this things wherever they want with ease and that the chassis is phenomenal at allowing to use all of the available power.

[wasya152]

The Zf tranny is a real let down. Its great when driving regular, but you do do feel that it's not as crisp and instant as the Dct when pushing the car. I really hope it's tuned better in the g80, cause its very clear when driving the m5c and x3m, especially when you have spent a lot of time with Dct. I think those with manuals don't have that issue

I do agree that a new gen car and platform usually improves the car since there is a whole lot of development and improvement that goes into it. I think I'm going to buy out the CS, get the g80 and if I like it more, sell the Cs. If not, swapa lease the g80. My main objective is the driving pleasure for this car. Its my 3rd car in the household mainly for enjoyment. Although, m3 being an M3, does everything well including driving kids around.

[DS_BMW]

Here are my thoughts between them.

https://www.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh...php?p=28115463

[KANdaddy]

Originally Posted by DS_BMW

Here are my thoughts between them.

https://www.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh...php?p=28115463

Great comparison. Thanks! I've decided to buy the CS and flip it when a G80 becomes available. My dealer seems willing to try and help make that as painless as possible. We will see

[akkando]

Originally Posted by KANdaddy

I remember people saying the f80 was "numb" compared to the e92 and I didn't think that at all. My guess is that once you get used to the new car, you will not miss the older platform. That seems to be what happens with each new iteration.

My CS went in for service today and I was able to see a newly delivered g80 in person. It was already sold so not test-drive but one thing I was worried about was the size (I hear it is a big as an e39 M5) but it did not seem overly huge to me. I guess at this point, I am leaning toward the g80. I have a few months left to really decide.

People are going to be saying that after every car trade all the way up until they're in an M car that is self driving only.

[wasya152]

Well, just got a production slot for December. This is getting real now.