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      10-09-2021, 02:34 PM   #177
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I don't get it.

There has been a litany of bearing problems in M engines over the years. I've had an S65 motor fail in my M3 and an S63 motor fail in my M6. Bearings in both cases. And yet fixes exist, such as aftermarket rod bearings for the E92, so it's not rocket ship science.

My advice to BMW is pretty basic. Figure out if these reoccurring issues are related to BMW Engineering doing a poor job in design/manufacturing specifications and validation, or BMW Purchasing overriding Engineering and going with the cheapest supplier. Then fire the group that's responsible.

It's a bearing for god's sake. Get the spec right and don't cheapen out. It's not worth your reputation.

As for owners, get an extended warranty.

Seriously.
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      10-09-2021, 03:06 PM   #179
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Leak the notice before there is any fix released so all these guys can keep panicking...

Is this really much different than what happened with the S54?

Probably nothing to be losing your minds over, especially if you haven't taken delivery yet, considering this is a DELIVERY STOP.
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      10-09-2021, 03:07 PM   #180
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I checked my vin, says no stop sales or recalls.
Thank god!! (Week 40 build in qc)
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      10-09-2021, 03:16 PM   #181
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That seals the deal. I'm going with the tried-and-true B58 for now.
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      10-09-2021, 03:20 PM   #182
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This is why I wait 3-4 years before jumping on a new platform. Something like this always happens like clockwork in year 1 and year 2. I feel like post LCI is the time to buy these cars :/
The S58 has been on the market for some time now and it's not the first time the S58 has had a bearing recall.
https://x3.xbimmers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1777823

What's up with these damn bearings?
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I'm build week 27. Just checked US and UK sites and no current recall on either one for VIN on my G80.
Week 24 also checked on both sites no open recall as of now
27 here too, nothing for me either.

This is why I leased this one…
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      10-09-2021, 04:06 PM   #184
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Does this affect B58 engine ?


Does this affect B58 engine ?

I read this as Fxx Gxx with B58 too ?
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This is annoying for those affected, but honestly it's probably better now rather than later. Sure it'll slow down allocations but the corrected new builds won't have anyone worrying if it will happen to them because it's already happened and corrected. It's just one of a few reasons why I prefer to wait at least 2 model years until pulling the trigger on a newly developed vehicle.
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Doesn't seem like a wide issue, at least for the Canadian market - less than 50 units affected. Does not seem like every single VIN during those production dates are affected, this recall/stop deliver seems to be more VIN-based.
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Leak the notice before there is any fix released so all these guys can keep panicking...

Is this really much different than what happened with the S54?

Probably nothing to be losing your minds over, especially if you haven't taken delivery yet, considering this is a DELIVERY STOP.
Dudes really think BMW will "repair" the engine and then have them blow up all over the street.

And if it were that serious, every car would have been recalled.
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Week 29 G80 X—drive. No recall. I live in Germany and fortunately avoided all the other stops sales and got my car about 5 weeks ago. I can’t imagine being one of the poor souls that now has to deal with this on top of all the other BS. My heart goes out to you.
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      10-09-2021, 04:53 PM   #189
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Guess I will be keeping my 2020 M2C for the next few years! Hats off to BMW for catching this!
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      10-09-2021, 04:56 PM   #190
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If you're impacted I'd demand a powertrain warranty extension, like 4 more years and another 50k miles, 8/100k
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Man, I took a break from this thread and the pitchforks are out. Glad I leased this thing and not looking forward to the fix but man…settle down until we know what’s what. (This coming from someone who typically overreacts).

We have so little info. Obviously I’m bummed I’m apparently affected but what am I gonna do?
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      10-09-2021, 05:24 PM   #192
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This is pretty worrisome...asking a dealer tech to do major work on a new-ish engine they likely have little experience with yet is mind boggling. Maybe I should be glad my allocation keeps getting pushed back to let them iron out the kinks.
Yep. It's one thing if it's an engine change, but main bearings means, transmission removal, lower and upper oil pans, crankshaft removal, rod bearing removal. Lots of opportunities for something to not be tightened to spec. Leaks or fasteners to be left out. Not to mention introducing debris
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      10-09-2021, 05:28 PM   #193
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This thread has definitely gotten out of hand. This recall only effects a small number of cars during a small window of production. It’s not wide spread. Also this is definitely nothing like the rod bearing issues that plagued every single E9X M3, we’re talking maybe two hundred cars possibly effected. BMW is obviously aware and they will remedy the situation for their customers. Will this suck to go through if you have this recall…YES, but BMW will 100% get this issue fixed and this will be forgotten in a year. Let’s all calm down, this news never should have been given to the public on a Friday but what can you do. We’ll know more next week. Everyone have a great weekend!
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      10-09-2021, 05:45 PM   #194
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This thread has definitely gotten out of hand. This recall only effects a small number of cars during a small window of production. It’s not wide spread. Also this is definitely nothing like the rod bearing issues that plagued every single E9X M3, we’re talking maybe two hundred cars possibly effected. BMW is obviously aware and they will remedy the situation for their customers. Will this suck to go through if you have this recall…YES, but BMW will 100% get this issue fixed and this will be forgotten in a year. Let’s all calm down, this news never should have been given to the public on a Friday but what can you do. We’ll know more next week. Everyone have a great weekend!
Def don't disagree. I'm usually not one to overreact. But for those of us in the 'worst' potential position (have the recall/SS, purchased, only a couple hundred miles in, additional sunk cost in for ppf, etc.), w/ a best case scenario being a minor inconvenience and some confidence in the engine eroded, it's a tough pill to swallow. Worst case scenarios are hard to imagine.

But regardless, dealing with disappointment and anxiety for what will probably be weeks when we should be over the moon w/ our new rides - we don't get that back no matter the fix. Not angry - ok maybe a bit - just bummed.
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This thread has definitely gotten out of hand. This recall only effects a small number of cars during a small window of production. It’s not wide spread. Also this is definitely nothing like the rod bearing issues that plagued every single E9X M3, we’re talking maybe two hundred cars possibly effected. BMW is obviously aware and they will remedy the situation for their customers. Will this suck to go through if you have this recall…YES, but BMW will 100% get this issue fixed and this will be forgotten in a year. Let’s all calm down, this news never should have been given to the public on a Friday but what can you do. We’ll know more next week. Everyone have a great weekend!
Let me see: I spend $100K on a new car and the dealer needs to pull the engine before I take delivery. Sales guy that has worked at the dealer for 3 months says do not worry about it. All good since the oil change guy has been promoted to a tech and he says BMW warranty will cover any issues. I feel for the people that are impacted. This is a big deal.
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The S58 has been on the market for some time now and it's not the first time the S58 has had a bearing recall.
https://x3.xbimmers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1777823

What's up with these damn bearings?
The thread mensions Rod Bearings.

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Let me see: I spend $100K on a new car and the dealer needs to pull the engine before I take delivery. Sales guy that has worked at the dealer for 3 months says do not worry about it. All good since the oil change guy has been promoted to a tech and he says BMW warranty will cover any issues. I feel for the people that are impacted. This is a big deal.
This is the same situation Im in. Its the problem with being a realist. The car is still at the port. BMW VIN is claiming my car isnt affected, but it falls right in the middle of the timeframe of the VINs affected. And Ive just dealt with so many dealers that dont know what theyre doing. The swear their techs are the best in their company, well, how do you scratch my leather steering wheel, gouge my center cosole, and scratch my window tint, all in one oil change visit?

I also agree that this motor has been out a few years, and in other models, however, this motor is supposed to have the forged crank that the XM didnt originally come with, so, right there, those are going to be different main bearings. As long as they arent removing my motor, and taking the car, apart, Ill still probably take delivery, since my VIN isnt showing affected.
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      10-09-2021, 06:18 PM   #197
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The S58 has been on the market for some time now and it's not the first time the S58 has had a bearing recall.
https://x3.xbimmers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1777823

What's up with these damn bearings?
The thread mensions Rod Bearings.

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Let me see: I spend $100K on a new car and the dealer needs to pull the engine before I take delivery. Sales guy that has worked at the dealer for 3 months says do not worry about it. All good since the oil change guy has been promoted to a tech and he says BMW warranty will cover any issues. I feel for the people that are impacted. This is a big deal.
This is the same situation Im in. Its the problem with being a realist. The car is still at the port. BMW VIN is claiming my car isnt affected, but it falls right in the middle of the timeframe of the VINs affected. And Ive just dealt with so many dealers that dont know what theyre doing. The swear their techs are the best in their company, well, how do you scratch my leather steering wheel, gouge my center cosole, and scratch my window tint, all in one oil change visit?

I also agree that this motor has been out a few years, and in other models, however, this motor is supposed to have the forged crank that the XM didnt originally come with, so, right there, those are going to be different main bearings. As long as they arent removing my motor, and taking the car, apart, Ill still probably take delivery, since my VIN isnt showing affected.
Yes but it still is bearings and there been alot of problems and recalls with them.
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This is why I wait 3-4 years before jumping on a new platform. Something like this always happens like clockwork in year 1 and year 2. I feel like post LCI is the time to buy these cars :/
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This is why I wait 3-4 years before jumping on a new platform. Something like this always happens like clockwork in year 1 and year 2. I feel like post LCI is the time to buy these cars :/
Same!!
One word solves the issue, which also gives you a new factory paint job every 3 years….LEASE

Why I have been a serial lease for the past 18 years.

I wonder if the Kith special editions are also affected…that would s*ck big time and teach BMW lesson going with a street brand.
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