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      10-15-2021, 12:46 AM   #529
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My car is effected by the recall. I'm selling it now. So disappointed. I don't trust a tech to take apart a brand new engine. And once that repair shows up in carfax the value is going to tank. This is horrible news!
BMW hasn't even come out with an official news release about it, yet. That's like you contracting Covid, and then , so you don't have a chance of infecting anyone else. It's a bit much.
Everybody will look at this different. If you like things to be "factory perfect" and just the thought of it not, especially in a car like a brand new special order M it's a gut punch that does not go away. Even after it's "fixed". I'm that guy so I would do the same.
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My car is effected by the recall. I'm selling it now. So disappointed. I don't trust a tech to take apart a brand new engine. And once that repair shows up in carfax the value is going to tank. This is horrible news!
BMW hasn't even come out with an official news release about it, yet. That's like you contracting Covid, and then , so you don't have a chance of infecting anyone else. It's a bit much.
Everybody will look at this different. If you like things to be "factory perfect" and just the thought of it not, especially in a car like a brand new special order M it's a gut punch that does not go away. Even after it's "fixed". I'm that guy so I would do the same.
Yeah, I can see that. It sucks, but if you already own it, you own it. I guess you can try to sell it, but with the engine bulletin, it's going to be hard to get someone to bite until after you get the motor fixed. At least if you haven't taken delivery, you have the option to refuse it. I'd hope BMW puts some incentive money on the cars that had the motors replaced before delivery, if that ends up being the fix.
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      10-15-2021, 05:00 AM   #531
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I’ve Been researching like a mad man. Made like 100 different calls. Third party bmw specialists, bmw service advisors, bmw aftermarket mechanics, etc. this is my final thought and speculation. All third party mechanics stated unless there is a special tool, engine needs to come out for bearing replacement. However, most bmw service advisors/managers speculates it is a simple fix without the engine needing to come out. See the pattern? If engine out I am not going to purchase. Most of the mechanics were hinting, unless you really trust your master tech don’t buy because there is so many room for errors if engine is coming out. Bmw really fu** this one.

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      10-15-2021, 07:33 AM   #532
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Based on previous recalls of this type the entire engine was replaced.

Not with a rebuilt engine, but a brand new engine.

So looking on the bright side, after driving for 3 - 6 mos affected cars will get kind of a 'do over' with a brand new engine, run in service etc.

As this seems to be something that has happened with many previous generations of M cars one can look to see if historically it has resulted in any issue with resale down the road. It doesn't appear that way.

just my contribution.....
Look at the e60 resale value. Their resale is significantly low, and that's considering the specialness of the v10.The e39 actually sells more than the e60. If you look at forums it's because the rod bearings need to be change at around 60k miles.
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      10-15-2021, 09:05 AM   #533
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Ok, so the best solution for future owners is to take a lease!

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Ok, so the best solution for future owners is to take a lease!
I certainly feel that way and I am very satisfied that i decided to go the lease route even though my VIN doesnt show the Bearing issue.
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Is this issue still limited to about 50 cars? Or is there reason to be more generally concerned that this is a flaw that could impact all M3/M4/X3/X4 cars that use the S58 engine?
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Is this issue still limited to about 50 cars? Or is there reason to be more generally concerned that this is a flaw that could impact all M3/M4/X3/X4 cars that use the S58 engine?
Just a short period of S58 production however probably several hundred cars are impacted.
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Is this issue still limited to about 50 cars? Or is there reason to be more generally concerned that this is a flaw that could impact all M3/M4/X3/X4 cars that use the S58 engine?
Just a short period of S58 production however probably several hundred cars are impacted.
Try several thousand
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      10-15-2021, 09:28 AM   #538
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Is this issue still limited to about 50 cars? Or is there reason to be more generally concerned that this is a flaw that could impact all M3/M4/X3/X4 cars that use the S58 engine?
That 50 count was specific to the vehicles allocated for Canada. I dont think we have seen any info on the overall vehicle count.
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Is this issue still limited to about 50 cars? Or is there reason to be more generally concerned that this is a flaw that could impact all M3/M4/X3/X4 cars that use the S58 engine?
That 50 count was specific to the vehicles allocated for Canada. I dont think we have seen any info on the overall vehicle count.
I see. So it could be a lot more cars. For those of us still waiting for delivery I guess there isn't a way to check on this anymore. I had checked the UK site about a week ago but status can probably change. I suppose if I won't know neither will anyone else so at least resale should be ok. Unless values of all our cars tank because of this? I've never leased before but maybe this is a good time to start.
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This is great. More delays upon delays. Now they are going to open up the engine to install this. I was already worried them screwing something up by installing the RAM module since it won't be factory installed. Now this.
I'm sure most techs have already done this which lead to the stop sale. Feedback from dealers.
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Took my car in today for break-in service to an M center, still no update at all. Clearly its still being assessed, probably still coming up with repair order instruction and a manual for techs. That usually takes a couple weeks. Its what I do for a living...
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The other day I was talking to Genius and they said my BMWNA case manager would absolutely be able to arrange a loaner until the issue with the stop sale is resolved, and also implied they could open up a new production slot since my dealership has no remaining allocations. Finally got a hold of my case manager at BMWNA just now. She said that is not something they do and offered no concessions whatsoever. I explained that I turned in my lease last week as soon as my new car arrived and I'm really in a bind due to the stop sale and she basically said "oh well, find a different car." I understand these things happen but the fact that they are leaving me stranded really sucks. Dealership was nice enough to give me a beautiful loaner but only for 10 days. Back to the drawing board.
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I’ve Been researching like a mad man. Made like 100 different calls. Third party bmw specialists, bmw service advisors, bmw aftermarket mechanics, etc. this is my final thought and speculation. All third party mechanics stated unless there is a special tool, engine needs to come out for bearing replacement. However, most bmw service advisors/managers speculates it is a simple fix without the engine needing to come out. See the pattern? If engine out I am not going to purchase. Most of the mechanics were hinting, unless you really trust your master tech don’t buy because there is so many room for errors if engine is coming out. Bmw really fu** this one.
Do you know what rod/main bearings are and where they reside within the engine? I don't think you do because if you did you would understand why the engine would have to come out and why this would dissuade someone from buying a brand new car that needed this done. Replacing a rod/main bearing is anything but a simple fix on the long list of replacing parts on an engine goes my man.
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The other day I was talking to Genius and they said my BMWNA case manager would absolutely be able to arrange a loaner until the issue with the stop sale is resolved, and also implied they could open up a new production slot since my dealership has no remaining allocations. Finally got a hold of my case manager at BMWNA just now. She said that is not something they do and offered no concessions whatsoever. I explained that I turned in my lease last week as soon as my new car arrived and I'm really in a bind due to the stop sale and she basically said "oh well, find a different car." I understand these things happen but the fact that they are leaving me stranded really sucks. Dealership was nice enough to give me a beautiful loaner but only for 10 days. Back to the drawing board.
That absolutely sucks. Fingers crossed you can get to someone that will actually make this right for you. Keep escalating with BMW.
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So my car isn't part of the recall but I feel for all that are. I just spoke to a good friend of mine that was a mechanic for BMW for 15 years and did a lot of these type of recalls. He said "it's not that big of a job and they way they do it doesn't require the engine to be pulled". Hope that helps a little.
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Update

Update:

Winslow BMW has been superlative.

Gregg (owner) allowed me to place an order for an x6m at $1,000 over invoice.

He knows my personality after working together for years that having the engine be replaced or torn out (which is a very high probability), that I wouldn't be happy.

So here goes to another wait, again.
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How similar/different is this from the E9X M3? This isn't an easy job by any means but is the S58 different where you have to remove the engine?
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Bmw really fu** this one.
As far as we know, it was probably a bad batch from a supplier, how do you get from there to BMW f**cked up?
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The other day I was talking to Genius and they said my BMWNA case manager would absolutely be able to arrange a loaner until the issue with the stop sale is resolved, and also implied they could open up a new production slot since my dealership has no remaining allocations. Finally got a hold of my case manager at BMWNA just now. She said that is not something they do and offered no concessions whatsoever. I explained that I turned in my lease last week as soon as my new car arrived and I'm really in a bind due to the stop sale and she basically said "oh well, find a different car." I understand these things happen but the fact that they are leaving me stranded really sucks. Dealership was nice enough to give me a beautiful loaner but only for 10 days. Back to the drawing board.
That's brutal. You should push them hard on that.
Ask them for your old car back even if it hasn't been sold. They should do something for you you would imagine
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Yeah, I can see that. It sucks, but if you already own it, you own it. I guess you can try to sell it, but with the engine bulletin, it's going to be hard to get someone to bite until after you get the motor fixed. At least if you haven't taken delivery, you have the option to refuse it. I'd hope BMW puts some incentive money on the cars that had the motors replaced before delivery, if that ends up being the fix.
This is definitely the dilemma that I currently have, my car is in the dealership and I haven't taken delivery, and no matter how much I call them, they tell me that they don't know anything.

https://g80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh...php?p=28122471

I imagine if they fix it this will not appear in the carfax, right? I have thought about requesting a refund and looking for another car in the same price range but there is nothing on the market that catches my attention, this M4 is definitely exactly what I wanted.

What will you do?

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