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      10-10-2021, 10:20 AM   #243
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This is why I always lease. It is like buying a put option on a stock. Push the chance of excess depreciation and potential issues onto the bank for a small fee.
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I wish I knew what to do. Now it makes me wish I would have gotten the X6M
The S63 is not immune, as the V8 burns oil— but not as severe as the S58 issue now.
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Damn. Least y'all G owners get a fix. Us F8X peeps got left in the wind.
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This is why I always lease. It is like buying a put option on a stock. Push the chance of excess depreciation and potential issues onto the bank for a small fee.
Not a time for the 'lease hackers' to be gloating This shouldn't be a lease vs buy debate. Everyone has valid reasons for doing both

I think everyone should take a deep breath and calm down until we know more about how serious the issue is. Very little information out there yet. It may turn out to be nothing.

Annoying as it is, Cars have recalls all the time across all brands. The reality is this is BMW's problem to fix in any case
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      10-10-2021, 11:01 AM   #247
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After finally convincing myself the face doesn't look "that bad" then hearing this I would canceling if I could. And pissed if I had one in my garage.
It explains the face perfectly.
The car is having gut issues, so it shows uncomfortable digestion face.
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      10-10-2021, 11:02 AM   #248
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This is why you wait and never by the car it's first new model year.
This doesn't affect the first year 2021 models though and is for the second year production vehicles.
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This doesn't affect the first year 2021 models though and is for the second year production vehicles.
Yeah but I still woud'nt feel good about it.
Always buy the LCI version. Lease? I don't care.
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What other issues have there been? I know there are delays due to chip shortages and obviously this bearing one. Anything else?
the chip shortages are affecting EVERY manufacturer, tho...
Right the chip shortage stuff is expected. The only other issue I'm aware of is this bearing problem that affects 50 cars AFAIK. But I'm seeing comments about "all these problems" with the G80 so I'm wondering if there are more issues I haven't heard of.
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Right the chip shortage stuff is expected. The only other issue I'm aware of is this bearing problem that affects 50 cars AFAIK. But I'm seeing comments about "all these problems" with the G80 so I'm wondering if there are more issues I haven't heard of.
yeah...i was agreeing with you. probably shouldve quoted the other poster with all the hyperbole.

i think folks are just lining up to take shots at BMW, right now. the bearing issue is all thats specific to BMW. but the haters...either of the brand or the model...are just using it as fuel to take victory laps. smh...
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No. The E36 328 was an iron block inline 6 cylinder.

The nikasil block issues were only the M60 B30 and B40, which were aluminum block V8s in the 530, 540/740/840.

If you're going to spread BS at least have the right application. Some of us here know the truth and will call you out on it.
No need for the aggression. I am talking about something as I remember it from over 20 years ago so I wouldn't call that spreading BS.

If the issue with the x28i engines wasn't the liner material used, what was it? The attached (see para 2) suggests that my memory is better than yours…

And that E36 was still a fantastic car.

And here's a picture of said car, taken in Austria.
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      10-10-2021, 12:20 PM   #253
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These things just happen sometimes and there is not much you can do about it. Just a bad batch of parts. It happens. I am sure BMW will make sure the engines affected will either be replaced or repaired properly.

For those drama-queens that do no longer want their cars i am also sure that BMW will take your car back without any issues in the current market. They will then just repair the car and sell it to someone else for a good profit. Maybe they will even sell you another M3 for delivery next year, so now they have sold 2 cars instead of 1. I am sure BMW will be fine.
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Avoiding a first year model and newer engine is not dumb. Statistically higher chance of having issues. Wouldn't keep me from pulling the trigger myself but it's certainly not a "dumb" assessment. Everyone had a different tolerance of risk.
You know, you’re right (bet you didn’t see that coming )

I shouldn’t have said dumb because that’s insulting and not taking into account that different people do in fact have different risk tolerance. Sincerest apologies for that.

What I should have said is, I disagree. As has been pointed out, this issue seems to be affecting ‘22 models not ‘21, so it’s not the first model year and waiting for the second model year is in fact worse.

This is an S58 engine issue and the engine has been around for more than a few years and also isn’t new. Since it appears to be engine specific and looking at the affected vehicles it’s not even an issue specific to the G80.

My personal experience has not supported new model years to be a problem. I typically buy early in the lifecycle of a car because I don’t like old technology. This was the earliest I was able to by an M3 and I got it. Like I said in my previous reply in this thread, I got burned hard by a LCI, that by all accounts should have been relatively trouble free and not leave me looking like an idiot while stuck at a traffic light with a $75K car that wouldn’t start.

The Kia driver that stopped to ask if I needed help was quite nice and sympathetic.
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      10-10-2021, 12:59 PM   #255
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You know, you’re right (bet you didn’t see that coming )

I shouldn’t have said dumb because that’s insulting and not taking into account that different people do in fact have different risk tolerance. Sincerest apologies for that.

What I should have said is, I disagree. As has been pointed out, this issue seems to be affecting ‘22 models not ‘21, so it’s not the first model year and waiting for the second model year is in fact worse.

This is an S58 engine issue and the engine has been around for more than a few years and also isn’t new. Since it appears to be engine specific and looking at the affected vehicles it’s not even an issue specific to the G80.

My personal experience has not supported new model years to be a problem. I typically buy early in the lifecycle of a car because I don’t like old technology. This was the earliest I was able to by an M3 and I got it. Like I said in my previous reply in this thread, I got burned hard by a LCI, that by all accounts should have been relatively trouble free and not leave me looking like an idiot while stuck at a traffic light with a $75K car that wouldn’t start.

The Kia driver that stopped to ask if I needed help was quite nice and sympathetic.
I have had two engine issues with first model year BMWs, but in both cases, BMW stepped up and left me a happy customer. Here are my two antidotal stories.

I had a 2007 335i with the N54 engine. That engine was a lemon. Lots of it going into limp mode. BMW recognized that the engine had design flaws so extended the warranty for all N54 engines (might have been limited to the known issues, not sure). I kept that car outside of the normal warranty issue, and continued to have some engine issues. It was always repaired free of charge. I even had a Dinan tune on it, BMW never tried to blame the issues on the tune.

My 2015 F80 also had engine issues within the first year of ownership. Limp mode. It was misdiagnosed about 4 times. The dealership initially just kept replacing 2 of the fuel injectors until they figured out it was coolant leaking into the cylinders which kept causing them to fail. It was going to be a large undertaking to repair it. I was quite upset about having a less than 1-yr old car with an engine that had to be disassembled and rebuilt. Then, the dealership said BMW had authorized a new engine for my car. Never had a problem after that (knock on wood). I signed an NDA with BMW so I can't say exactly what else they did, but they also offered me something for the trouble I went through.

So, for those who are affected, I wouldn't worry so much about it right now. I'm sure BMW will stand behind their products.
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      10-10-2021, 01:07 PM   #256
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What is it with BMW and bearing issues.

How have they not figured out their problems.
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Pretty obvious that the US hasn't posted the recall yet so I expect it early this week. My question is whether they will ask for owners to stop driving the cars as well. Sounds like it could be a safety issue which would open them up to liability if the motor goes while driving and causes an accident.

With that in mind, it will be pretty easy to just hand the keys back to BMW in California under the potential of a lemon law enforcement. Any car out of service for 30 days (in the first 18 months) gives the owner the option of a return for full refund including sales tax, interest, etc minus a deduction for mileage. A lot of states have a variation of this as well.

Once the VIN list is posted for the US it should make the decision process pretty easy for most owners. My gut is that BMW will make some decent offers to ensure that some people decide to keep their cars after the fix. Longer warranties, loaner cars, etc. As an example the 2014-15 GT3's are actually sought after because of the 10 year warranties that Porsche provided after the motor recall.

BTW just checked the production date on my '22 and it is 6/30/21 so I fall outside the affected dates

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This thread has definitely gotten out of hand. This recall only effects a small number of cars during a small window of production. It’s not wide spread. Also this is definitely nothing like the rod bearing issues that plagued every single E9X M3, we’re talking maybe two hundred cars possibly effected. BMW is obviously aware and they will remedy the situation for their customers. Will this suck to go through if you have this recall…YES, but BMW will 100% get this issue fixed and this will be forgotten in a year. Let’s all calm down, this news never should have been given to the public on a Friday but what can you do. We’ll know more next week. Everyone have a great weekend!
I would go further on this note by adding that this is most likely not a design/engineering defect. It seems to be on a relatively small number of cars that had a manufacturing defect within the engine. People need to take a second and not make this into more than it is, given the current information. I do feel bad for those apparently effected, but we should wait for more details. It may come down to an inspection and even fewer cars needing any type of repair. We just cannot say for certain yet. My car was in the first week of production for 2022 (week 27) and so far appears not to be flagged. So, I have some skin in the game on this issue as I own a car near or within the timeframe listed.
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It explains the face perfectly.
The car is having gut issues, so it shows uncomfortable digestion face.
These type of comments are in no way helpful to this thread. Why even post on the G8x forums if you're that against the appearance of the car?

Can we stick to sharing useful information regarding the stop sale, and not personal opinions on the styling or just repeating the same bashing against BMW?
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Wasn't this a problem with the E9x?
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Hopefully just fall outside the dates but will try and get my vin tomorrow.
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lame lame lame lame dumb stupid

just got mine back from the break in service yesterday.
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It explains the face perfectly.
The car is having gut issues, so it shows uncomfortable digestion face.
These type of comments are in no way helpful to this thread. Why even post on the G8x forums if you're that against the appearance of the car?

Can we stick to sharing useful information regarding the stop sale, and not personal opinions on the styling or just repeating the same bashing against BMW?
OK, fair enough. Just riding the joke wave as this appears on the main Bimmerpost news thread.
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Can’t find my actual production date …says July in the door but think it was early July before the 13th…show nothing on UK or US site
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