BMW M3 Touring spy video (August 2021)

TruthOne · 09-20-2021, 10:01 PM

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I'm amazed the cult following that wagons have. I don't see the appeal at all.

It's all talk and zero action here in the US. There's wagons here and I barely see anyone even consider them. All I hear is people talking about wanting a wagon; while they put their money elsewhere. Think about it… how many of your enthusiast friends in the US actually bought a wagon? I know one person, and he just bought an RS6 Avant because he stumbled upon one going unsold and got a good deal.

I don't know of anybody personally who likes Wagons. My car friends hate even sedans let alone a wagon that they say reminds them of Clark Griswold. They only consider coupes real sports cars. If they need more space they get an SUV for or Truck to tow stuff. A wagon was always seen as goofy.

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Originally Posted by TruthOne

I'm amazed the cult following that wagons have. I don't see the appeal at all.

It's all talk and zero action here in the US. There's wagons here and I barely see anyone even consider them. All I hear is people talking about wanting a wagon; while they put their money elsewhere. Think about it… how many of your enthusiast friends in the US actually bought a wagon? I know one person, and he just bought an RS6 Avant because he stumbled upon one going unsold and got a good deal.

I don't know of anybody personally who likes Wagons. My car friends hate even sedans let alone a wagon that they say reminds them of Clark Griswold. They only consider coupes real sports cars. If they need more space they get an SUV for or Truck to tow stuff. A wagon was always seen as goofy.

What your friends think doesn't really matter. Go look on bring a trailer at what 10 year old BMW wagons sell for and tell me again there isn't a market.

The problem is BMW hasn't bothered to give us a good wagon in 10 years. The F30 wagon was great but you couldn't even get in with the N55, let alone a manual transmission like the sedan.

There's a market for midget porn too . There's a market for Damn near anything . There's a reason car companies specifically avoid the US when it comes to wagons , aside from Doug Demuro and a handful of enthusiasts most Americans would rather buy an suv over a wagon. My friends are a microcosm of the US.

PARTS@STBMW · 09-20-2021, 11:41 PM

YASSSSSSS!

seis-speed · 09-21-2021, 12:20 AM

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There's a market for midget porn too . There's a market for Damn near anything . There's a reason car companies specifically avoid the US when it comes to wagons , aside from Doug Demuro and a handful of enthusiasts most Americans would rather buy an suv over a wagon. My friends are a microcosm of the US.

I used to think like you, then I had kids and a dog and started using my F80 M3 as our family road trip car (it is the greatest thing ever). Now I would trade my GT3 for a manual wagon. Something special about a road trip in your fun car....For many it can only happen in a Sedan or Wagon, the sedan requires a cargo box and the dog at my wife's feet.

Kevin_The_Clean1 · 09-21-2021, 01:20 AM

Less than 24 hrs after this post was made & the video is already taken down. Just like the car itself, this video link was just a mere tease...

FC05 · 09-21-2021, 02:59 AM

I thought a tuned G21 M340i touring is everything I need for a car until they announced they'd make G81 M3 touring,
now waiting for mine.

nicksm3 · 09-21-2021, 08:08 AM

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Let me put it this way, the G81 is the only BMW I am interested in buying in the US. Hope they're listening to the reception of the RS6, which I've actually seen a surprising amount of in Seattle. And genuine excitement from enthusiasts towards the car at meets/shows.

Ex-E92 M3 owner here but have not been really interested in a BMW product since then. The touring would bring out a lot more excitement for the brand for me. I'm almost swayed with the beast S58 in the G80 but the there's still a bit more left to go. I have a feeling that they still might do it as a surprise to boost excitement and "viral" announcement just like Audi did.

Im with you and agree. I still have my E92 and will never let her go. Nothing lately has enticed me. Id like to add a stable mate...only time will tell. Love the Touring!

bunker · 09-21-2021, 09:48 AM

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Is it gonna be available in the US? I really hope it is 🙏

bunker · 09-21-2021, 09:49 AM

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I'm amazed the cult following that wagons have. I don't see the appeal at all.

not everyone who hauls shit in their car wants to ride on top of a stack of phone books

Bahn360Photo · 09-21-2021, 09:57 AM

All that has to happen is for it to snow pink and this car makes it to US!

At the very least bring m340 wagon

MD707 · 09-21-2021, 10:06 AM

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not everyone who hauls shit in their car wants to ride on top of a stack of phone books

I hate SUVs with a passion.

And I have a deposit down on this.

The Alpina is more attractive, but no discounts....

TruthOne · 09-21-2021, 10:16 AM

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There's a market for midget porn too . There's a market for Damn near anything . There's a reason car companies specifically avoid the US when it comes to wagons , aside from Doug Demuro and a handful of enthusiasts most Americans would rather buy an suv over a wagon. My friends are a microcosm of the US.

I used to think like you, then I had kids and a dog and started using my F80 M3 as our family road trip car (it is the greatest thing ever). Now I would trade my GT3 for a manual wagon. Something special about a road trip in your fun car....For many it can only happen in a Sedan or Wagon, the sedan requires a cargo box and the dog at my wife's feet.

Yeah I have two kids but I never needed more than a sedan. Growing up we had an 85 accord we drove across country. The need for bigger cars seems like a newer thing unless you have over 3 kids. But there's something for everyone, too bad we don't get many options here like inn other countries.

BimmerBahn · 09-21-2021, 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Kevin_The_Clean1

Less than 24 hrs after this post was made & the video is already taken down. Just like the car itself, this video link was just a mere tease...

it works for me... you have to watch in youtube directly...they have it blocked... assume so they can get the clicks/ad rev.

Quadruple VANOS · 09-21-2021, 04:40 PM

Tip: You could probably find a CPO Porsche Sport Turismo for close to what an M3 Touring would cost… yet I probably have seen two on the road ever (and I drive A LOT).

superduty · 09-21-2021, 08:35 PM

Just to add an alternate view. I have a 2010 E91, 6 speed, M Sport. When I purchased this car, my dealer searched the US for ANY manual E91s. Guess what? There were none, hence, I had to order mine. How many people are willing to order and wait for a car to be delivered? I'll go out on a limb and say, "not many". Of course dealers were full up with X models and anyone could purchase one and drive off the lot the same day. This is one reason wagons "don't sell" in the US.

Another reason "they don't sell" is (as far as BMW is concerned) the F31 was only available as an auto, X drive. I get that BMW figured that was the configuration most likely to sell but it did limit the number of takers.

As far as federalizing the BMW wagon goes, people say the return on investment isn't there. Apparently it is for Merc and Audi. Sure these are a different price class and I'm sure it drives the sticker price but it shows that manufacturers can support small market segments. Also don't expect an M3 wagon to be priced near an M3 sedan for the same reason even w/o dealer mark ups.

I figure I'll keep my E91 for the rest of my driving life unless we actually see either a M3 or M340 RWD wagon with a manual. I don't expect this to ever happen and I'm OK w/ that.

BlueM3Wagon · 09-22-2021, 07:14 AM

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Originally Posted by superduty

Just to add an alternate view. I have a 2010 E91, 6 speed, M Sport. When I purchased this car, my dealer searched the US for ANY manual E91s. Guess what? There were none, hence, I had to order mine. How many people are willing to order and wait for a car to be delivered? I'll go out on a limb and say, "not many". Of course dealers were full up with X models and anyone could purchase one and drive off the lot the same day. This is one reason wagons "don't sell" in the US.

Another reason "they don't sell" is (as far as BMW is concerned) the F31 was only available as an auto, X drive. I get that BMW figured that was the configuration most likely to sell but it did limit the number of takers.

As far as federalizing the BMW wagon goes, people say the return on investment isn't there. Apparently it is for Merc and Audi. Sure these are a different price class and I'm sure it drives the sticker price but it shows that manufacturers can support small market segments. Also don't expect an M3 wagon to be priced near an M3 sedan for the same reason even w/o dealer mark ups.

I figure I'll keep my E91 for the rest of my driving life unless we actually see either a M3 or M340 RWD wagon with a manual. I don't expect this to ever happen and I'm OK w/ that.

In the year my e91 M3 has been complete, I can't tell you the amount of times I've had enthusiasts follow me to my house, driving dozens of miles off the highway just to see more and chat with me. The amount of honks, thumbs ups, and screams on the roadways are unfathomable. Folks at cars and coffee walking past exotics to look at my car. Many people don't even know it wasn't production, they honestly think it's just a beautiful car! More importantly the feeling I get owning and driving it, the functionality. Let's be honest as well. BMW tourings have the absolute best lines in the business. The rear turns a laughingstock of a sedan into something beautiful.

I myself would absolutely order one. Have they not seen what the market did with the RS6 avant?

If they need to write a case study, us M3 wagon builders are here to help!

HVYWGHT · 09-22-2021, 03:03 PM

I would buy a G81 immediately. Even if I needed another job.
Biggest mistake of my life was not ordering my E91 with a manual and second was selling it during a life crisis for a manual GTI... now I'm back in a 2011 E90 xDrive manual which I love but would love a manual wagon.
And I agree- the F3x was missing on most fronts.

Jbonly21 · 09-22-2021, 10:32 PM

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Originally Posted by BlueM3Wagon

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Originally Posted by superduty

Just to add an alternate view. I have a 2010 E91, 6 speed, M Sport. When I purchased this car, my dealer searched the US for ANY manual E91s. Guess what? There were none, hence, I had to order mine. How many people are willing to order and wait for a car to be delivered? I'll go out on a limb and say, "not many". Of course dealers were full up with X models and anyone could purchase one and drive off the lot the same day. This is one reason wagons "don't sell" in the US.

Another reason "they don't sell" is (as far as BMW is concerned) the F31 was only available as an auto, X drive. I get that BMW figured that was the configuration most likely to sell but it did limit the number of takers.

As far as federalizing the BMW wagon goes, people say the return on investment isn't there. Apparently it is for Merc and Audi. Sure these are a different price class and I'm sure it drives the sticker price but it shows that manufacturers can support small market segments. Also don't expect an M3 wagon to be priced near an M3 sedan for the same reason even w/o dealer mark ups.

I figure I'll keep my E91 for the rest of my driving life unless we actually see either a M3 or M340 RWD wagon with a manual. I don't expect this to ever happen and I'm OK w/ that.

In the year my e91 M3 has been complete, I can't tell you the amount of times I've had enthusiasts follow me to my house, driving dozens of miles off the highway just to see more and chat with me. The amount of honks, thumbs ups, and screams on the roadways are unfathomable. Folks at cars and coffee walking past exotics to look at my car. Many people don't even know it wasn't production, they honestly think it's just a beautiful car! More importantly the feeling I get owning and driving it, the functionality. Let's be honest as well. BMW tourings have the absolute best lines in the business. The rear turns a laughingstock of a sedan into something beautiful.

I myself would absolutely order one. Have they not seen what the market did with the RS6 avant?

If they need to write a case study, us M3 wagon builders are here to help!

Nice, if you don't mind. How was the swap, do you have a build thread ? Thanks

BlueM3Wagon · 09-23-2021, 07:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Jbonly21

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Originally Posted by BlueM3Wagon

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Originally Posted by superduty

Just to add an alternate view. I have a 2010 E91, 6 speed, M Sport. When I purchased this car, my dealer searched the US for ANY manual E91s. Guess what? There were none, hence, I had to order mine. How many people are willing to order and wait for a car to be delivered? I'll go out on a limb and say, "not many". Of course dealers were full up with X models and anyone could purchase one and drive off the lot the same day. This is one reason wagons "don't sell" in the US.

Another reason "they don't sell" is (as far as BMW is concerned) the F31 was only available as an auto, X drive. I get that BMW figured that was the configuration most likely to sell but it did limit the number of takers.

As far as federalizing the BMW wagon goes, people say the return on investment isn't there. Apparently it is for Merc and Audi. Sure these are a different price class and I'm sure it drives the sticker price but it shows that manufacturers can support small market segments. Also don't expect an M3 wagon to be priced near an M3 sedan for the same reason even w/o dealer mark ups.

I figure I'll keep my E91 for the rest of my driving life unless we actually see either a M3 or M340 RWD wagon with a manual. I don't expect this to ever happen and I'm OK w/ that.

In the year my e91 M3 has been complete, I can't tell you the amount of times I've had enthusiasts follow me to my house, driving dozens of miles off the highway just to see more and chat with me. The amount of honks, thumbs ups, and screams on the roadways are unfathomable. Folks at cars and coffee walking past exotics to look at my car. Many people don't even know it wasn't production, they honestly think it's just a beautiful car! More importantly the feeling I get owning and driving it, the functionality. Let's be honest as well. BMW tourings have the absolute best lines in the business. The rear turns a laughingstock of a sedan into something beautiful.

I myself would absolutely order one. Have they not seen what the market did with the RS6 avant?

If they need to write a case study, us M3 wagon builders are here to help!

Nice, if you don't mind. How was the swap, do you have a build thread ? Thanks

Swap was done over the course of a year or so. Interior and front clip first, then full mechanical swap once I secured a donor. Right after the mechanical swap, I had the rear quarters grafted in and rear custom bumper made.

Full conversion M3 e91 LCI manual S65 build: BlueM3Wagon https://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1720871

Kevin_The_Clean1 · 09-24-2021, 03:36 AM

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Originally Posted by BlueM3Wagon

In the year my e91 M3 has been complete, I can't tell you the amount of times I've had enthusiasts follow me to my house, driving dozens of miles off the highway just to see more and chat with me. The amount of honks, thumbs ups, and screams on the roadways are unfathomable. Folks at cars and coffee walking past exotics to look at my car. Many people don't even know it wasn't production, they honestly think it's just a beautiful car! More importantly the feeling I get owning and driving it, the functionality. Let's be honest as well. BMW tourings have the absolute best lines in the business. The rear turns a laughingstock of a sedan into something beautiful.

I myself would absolutely order one. Have they not seen what the market did with the RS6 avant?

If they need to write a case study, us M3 wagon builders are here to help!

That's one super awesome build man!

BMthusiast · 09-24-2021, 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by FreudeamFahren18

Its my understanding that the G81 will not be released here.
Has that changed?

I think we're all trying to manifest it. From what I've read, since the non-M touring vehicle isn't offered here it would cost a bunch more for BMW to produce it for USA customers. I see lots of E-series and F-series touring cars still driving around, obviously not nearly close to the SUVs, but the idea that Americans are anti-wagon is kinda strange. With an M3 Touring you get to have your cake and eat it too. Practicality and performance, and a unique road presence.

Jason · 10-03-2021, 01:28 PM

Latest G81 M3 Touring video:

Artemis · 11-02-2021, 07:54 PM

G81 M3 Touring at the Nürburgring:

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