[///Pip]

Good effort ... unfortunately BMW marketing machine has brainwashed me ... their original design is now far superior than the ones you've provided ... sorry!

[heckyeahbro69]

most of those wont even work because of the crash beam

[flyboy385]

What happened to this design?

[OSee]

Originally Posted by flyboy385

What happened to this design?

You want to turn your M4 into an M8?

[flyboy385]

Kinda, yeah. I like a mini M8 look quite a lot more than buck-tooth beaver face

[FC4]

Green car above still looks like shit. The rendering of the red one however is perfect.

Make that and I'll buy it.

[GhostyM]

Originally Posted by flyboy385

What happened to this design?

This is the design I thought the new M would look like.

Amazing. Fixes the whole front end.

[Jcali86]

Originally Posted by GhostyM

This is the design I thought the new M would look like.

Amazing. Fixes the whole front end.

If you want an old boring looking BMW like that here you go -

https://www.cargurus.com/Cars/l-Used-2020-BMW-M8-c29331

[frankiebones]

Originally Posted by ///Pip

Good effort ... unfortunately BMW marketing machine has brainwashed me ... their original design is now far superior than the ones you've provided ... sorry!

Obviously a FanBoii!

/s

[JamesGames]

Original design is far better IMO, this looks like the grills are chopped in half without being as streamlined. Maybe vertical double slats with a slight curvature to blend w/ the other non-straight lines or something would work better.

Can't help but wonder if after a few years these sentiments will only grow stronger.

[Boss330]

Those designs look hideous!!!

Why would anyone ruin their brand new car with something that looks like it was bought off of Alibaba... :

And as mentioned by others, most of the designs won't work with the front crash bar...

And in EU the bumper will also require pedestrian protection approval to be legal to use on the car...

[Boss330]

Designs 2 and 3 will require cutting of the crash bar or best case have large parts of the grille openings blocked by the crash bar...

Keeping the crash bar on design 3 will require a redesign of the bumper and grilles though.

[GhostyM]

Originally Posted by Jcali86

If you want an old boring looking BMW like that here you go -

https://www.cargurus.com/Cars/l-Used-2020-BMW-M8-c29331

That's funny.

I have an M8 Comp right now as a daily. I love it.
Also it's much faster than my old tuned JB4 M4 - Especially with DP/Intake/Tune - I think I'm at 650-670whp currently.

That's my boring car. My fun car is a lot better looking.

[Jcali86]

Originally Posted by GhostyM

That's funny.

I have an M8 Comp right now as a daily. I love it.
Also it's much faster than my old tuned JB4 M4 - Especially with DP/Intake/Tune - I think I'm at 650-670whp currently.

That's my boring car. My fun car is a lot better looking.

That's awesome! Sounds like a beast. No surprise you like the old design style then if you have that.

[Flamingi]

Originally Posted by Boss330

And as mentioned by others, most of the designs won't work with the front crash bar...

And in EU the bumper will also require pedestrian protection approval to be legal to use on the car...

Once their car arrives (they should already have it at this point in time), they will do a complete 3D scan in order to develop the bumper. They will surely find a solution to the crash bar problem.

The bumper will have all necessary approvals in the EU, they will even have a TÜV approval. Arguably the most strict rules in the world (and in contrast to e.g. Cali they are actually enforced, unfortunately).

[gemini.m3]

Problem is the design language as a whole isn’t out the park great so the hood just doesn’t flow with any of these concepts. As much as it pains me to say it, I’d prefer stock in this case no question

[Kevin_The_Clean1]

I simply wonder what the LCI version will eventually look like.

[spacecowboy85]

So we want the M3 to look more like the regular Bmw’s, and then we will complain how for the price of the M3 it’s not special or different enough from regular Bmw’s .......

Man we suck. I feel like Bmw is the boyfriend asking the girlfriend (us) what do you want for dinner? And we say..........whatever is fine you pick.

[TimmyM56]

I like the look of 2.2 but also 3 as well. 3 would be top tier if there wasn't that added crease under the headlight.

In regards to the grill, it's all going to have to be new, so why bother with the coffin style of the OEM one? I get the vents in the hood, but why not just add some G20 M340i or F90 M5 kidney grills there for the more traditional and better look? The horizontal grill lines just don't look good, the M5 or M2CS is perfect IMO.

Just my 0.02, Number 3 is a very good start.

[OSee]

Originally Posted by Kevin_The_Clean1

I simply wonder what the LCI version will eventually look like.

BMW just unveiled their future direction with the i4. And it has the same kidneys.

Anyone who is banking on them changing course with the LCI is delusional.

It’s going to get the same treatment 99% of other LCIs do - updated lights.

[Boss330]

Originally Posted by Flamingi

Once their car arrives (they should already have it at this point in time), they will do a complete 3D scan in order to develop the bumper. They will surely find a solution to the crash bar problem.

The bumper will have all necessary approvals in the EU, they will even have a TÜV approval. Arguably the most strict rules in the world (and in contrast to e.g. Cali they are actually enforced, unfortunately).

To get EU approval the part/system/vehicle has to be tested by what is called a Technical Service. TÜV and DEKRA are two German TS, but other countries also have TS. TS have to be independent and must be approved by the member state under specified requirements in Directive 2007/46/EC (previous) or Regulation (EU) 2018/858 (current).

List of technical services in EU member states:

https://ec.europa.eu/docsroom/docume...;sortOrder=asc

Companies like AC Schnitzer etc all get their parts tested and approved by one of these TS to be able to legally sell their products in the EU market. Products like this also needs approval to be legal to use on the car for the end user.

It's great that they will go through that process 👍

However "even getting TÜV" isn't something above and beyond the above. EU rules apply in all EU member states and TÜV doesn't apply any stricter rules than what the EU legislation requires...

But when it comes to parts or modifications that aren't directly regulated by EU, each member state have their national modification regulations. And in fact, the German national modification regulations are not very strict at all. They (TÜV/DEKRA) do have a very detailed testing regulations in the VdTÜV Merkblatt booklets (like for instance VdTÜV 751).
However these test requirements are so "lenient" that you quite easily can get a fully caged race car street legal in Germany (or a fully caged M3/4).

Some well known examples on social media are the F80 M3 Apex taxi and the F82 M4 VLN ex race car.

Look at all the Team Schirmer BMWs with full cages, wings, stroker engines etc. As well as private builds of similar type.

The German aftermarket/tuning industry is a multi billion dollar market. Probably the largest of any EU country.

In most other European countries all of the above is illegal...

But as you said, the rules are enforced in Germany... (which not all member states do). I remember visiting a well renowned German tuner when the F10 M5 was new. They told me that they took off the carbonfibre hood when the car was at their base in Germany as they risked loosing their driving licenses if they where pulled over with that on (due to not being pedestrian protection approved at the time).

[Flamingi]

Originally Posted by Boss330

To get EU approval the part/system/vehicle has to be tested by what is called a Technical Service. TÜV and DEKRA are two German TS, but other countries also have TS. TS have to be independent and must be approved by the member state under specified requirements in Directive 2007/46/EC (previous) or Regulation (EU) 2018/858 (current).

List of technical services in EU member states:

https://ec.europa.eu/docsroom/docume...&sortOrder=asc

Companies like AC Schnitzer etc all get their parts tested and approved by one of these TS to be able to legally sell their products in the EU market. Products like this also needs approval to be legal to use on the car for the end user.

It's great that they will go through that process ��

However "even getting TÜV" isn't something above and beyond the above. EU rules apply in all EU member states and TÜV doesn't apply any stricter rules than what the EU legislation requires...

But when it comes to parts or modifications that aren't directly regulated by EU, each member state have their national modification regulations. And in fact, the German national modification regulations are not very strict at all. They (TÜV/DEKRA) do have a very detailed testing regulations in the VdTÜV Merkblatt booklets (like for instance VdTÜV 751).
However these test requirements are so "lenient" that you quite easily can get a fully caged race car street legal in Germany (or a fully caged M3/4).

Some well known examples on social media are the F80 M3 Apex taxi and the F82 M4 VLN ex race car.

Look at all the Team Schirmer BMWs with full cages, wings, stroker engines etc. As well as private builds of similar type.

The German aftermarket/tuning industry is a multi billion dollar market. Probably the largest of any EU country.

In most other European countries all of the above is illegal...

But as you said, the rules are enforced in Germany... (which not all member states do). I remember visiting a well renowned German tuner when the F10 M5 was new. They told me that they took off the carbonfibre hood when the car was at their base in Germany as they risked loosing their driving licenses if they where pulled over with that on (due to not being pedestrian protection approved at the time).

Yes I agree with most what you wrote, I still think at least the enforced rules by the police (and the power they have, e.g. confiscating the car immediately) are one of the strictest in the world. I wouldn't call the rules lenient tho, while other countries just straight out ban some modifications, in Germany you can get it approved with §21 StvZO. And then you still have to adhere to the rules, and (as you would expect from the Germans) there are a lot of them. So in practice it's really hard to do that on some parts (e.g. the mentioned carbon hood), because the cost for the approval is much more than the part itself.

Just as an example: using different wheels is illegal, unless it adheres to the sorresponding rules. Big manufacturers like BBS, Ronal etc. do those test beforehand of course, but getting forged wheels TÜV approved is very, very expensive. You would need to do multiple test to proove the quality of the wheel, which will destroy them in the process. So in order to get 4 rims on your car, you will have to buy 9 of them (I think it's 5 test in total which will destroy the rims). And that's just so expensive, so in practice nobody is doing that.

Also, the Apex M3 is not a BMW, but a Schirmer (it does not have the BMW type number 0005). Because less than 25 of them were built, they have less rules they need to follow.

Nonetheless the point of my comment was, that they will get all the necessary approvals to sell the kit in the EU and the US.