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My understanding of the shift times we see quoted is the time it takes for one clutch to fully engage while the other is fully disengaged, and that is not really irrelevant to performance. What does impact the feel is the response time, the time between driver input and gear change. I really struggle believing that just looking at the general design of a planetary transmission. You have the whole carriers, multiple clutch packs and planet gears moving and rotating about. Much more mass rotating around.
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Wish four wheel drive system from M5 could become an optional choice in the future.
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So what you are saying is: its going to be expensive
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IMO, the G8x should be the first M's to incorporate E-Assist since the 48V electrical system is there anyway and the rumor mills have been speculating a "KERS" system for more than a decade. Using the 8P55R with integrated startup clutch combined with the 50hp/200nm Electric Module instead of a Torque Converter, the engine can still be somewhat high-revving, vastly more efficient, and provide a higher and more versatile power-band without having to go AWD. |
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I am not overly concerned about 2 inches in length. width should improve grip, no?
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Also, the new 5 series (and corresponding F90 M5) is a vast improvement aesthetically over the last gen. While the G80 has much bigger shoes to fill (f80 is one of the best looking cars in history), if BMW could improve the 5 series to the extent they did, I think the G80, with updated headlights/taillights, aggressive front and rear bumpers, and flared out rear fenders would look amazing.
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Really? Any particular reason why?
My last two cars have been PDK/DCT and I really enjoy them (previous 8 cars were all manuals). I am not excited about the loss of DCT in the next gen M cars...I will be looking to scoop up an M2C at the end of my F80 lease for this exact reason.
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As long as they don't mess with the driving dynamics while making the ride more supple and compliant...why not.
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Very cool engine for sure - but never enjoyed it as much as the S54. Thought it was a bit of a lazy revving engine in comparison...but I can see why people love it.
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Not really man. you will find many ex e92 owners on other boards. The S65 shines at the track and really that's about it. even for spirited canyon runs it just doesn't have the torque. combined with the size and mass of the e92 it makes it feel very sluggish at low speeds. S54 seemed better matched to it's chassis as did the S62.
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Bravo. Cannot wait for new M
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You guys are correct in a number of ways. The S65 is a bit anemic in the torque department. You really have to understand how to work the engine. Sound and revs made up for it. I've been behind a S54, but it was making between 800-900 HP with the gas at the time, made the cover of euro magazine. Scary fast, not NA, and would love to drive a S54 in it's pure form.
Just like the beauty of 8 octaves on a piano, the S65 sings with her 8 throttle bodies.
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I'll "reluctantly" buy an M3 if necessary. It is still an awesome car but I absolutely hate driving a flashy car to work or being seen in a flashy car with my family. Of course I'll enjoy the car, I'm not saying I won't. Just personally for me, I'd prefer to get an M340i which is more than enough for a fun daily driver. |
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