[Ryan_sng]

Honestly I find the new W206 C class looks more sterile and generic than Audi's now. Being a current Audi owner (and still enthusiast) i've always felt most of their cars were pretty generic looking, but the new MBs, particularly the new C class, looks SO boring. I'd take the G80 all day every day, it's polarizing but it turns heads, and it doesn't have a 4 cylinder, which to me is a huge no-no.

[MassComp]

I just can't see spending C63 money on a 4 banger.

Mercedes should have went with a 6 cylinder.....

[SeanWRT]

My vote goes to the M3. However the reason is not the engine, but for the rest of the car M3 has a significant edge.

AMG powertrain even never disappoints even in L4 form. Especially when incorporating the state of art P3 hybrid, the new M139 is going to be a stronger and more exciting engine than the S58.

[jkap27]

Originally Posted by SeanWRT

My vote goes to the M3. However the reason is not the engine, but for the rest of the car M3 has a significant edge.

AMG powertrain even never disappoints even in L4 form. Especially when incorporating the state of art P3 hybrid, the new M139 is going to be a stronger and more exciting engine than the S58.

the hybrid system is gonna add like 500 pounds so a lot of that strength is gonna be canceled out. probably gonna perform about the same as the m3 xdrive from a dig. im interested in it...i have an order for an M3 that ive been waiting on for awhile and i might jump on the c63 waiting list also just in case its great lol The interior irks me though im not into the whole 'lets just slap an ipad on the dashboard' look

[yousefnjr]

Originally Posted by Schn3ll

The electric motor and battery pack are going over the rear axle so weight should be 50/50. I agree, lack of V8 is a bummer. They are keeping it in the big-dog cars like AMG GT and E63 + the hybrid setup. I think this just how they are getting around stupid emissions requirements now.



I am also concerned about the reliability of the powertrain, high strung turbo 4 (most powerful production 4 banger ever made), an electric assist turbo (sandwiched in between turbine housings to spool turbo, never been done before), 48v starter motor, electric motor (new to MB), 2 speed tranny on electric motor (new to MB), and then wrap this all up into a brand new C class platform with new tech in the interior and you have one complex car. I wonder if techs are just going to replace cars if things start to break, rather than repair.

I don't keep my cars more than 3 years, so reliability is not a huge concern for me, just the inconvenience and pain in the ass of driving a crappy loaner for X amount of time (this is where I miss owning a 911, I would usually get a nice Cayman or more recently a Taycan loaner).

Is this the C63 or just some concept? Looks like it’s all going to the rear wheels here

[Schn3ll]

Originally Posted by yousefnjr

Is this the C63 or just some concept? Looks like it’s all going to the rear wheels here

That's the real deal, graphic straight from the horses mouth. Front wheels driven by the AWD transfer case at front of transmission.

Definitely an interesting concept, I am very curious what the early impressions are. It's a similar (flipped 180 degrees) version to what Koenigsegg is doing with the Gemera - and a lot less power.

It should have a much better throttle response vs. the G8X cars due to the electric turbo and hybridization so it will feel torquey and strong, however it's going to be an absolute boat I guess 4,400lbs - new C300 is 3,900lbs and add in the battery and electric motor and easy 4,300-4,400 range for the AMG.

[yousefnjr]

Originally Posted by Schn3ll

That's the real deal, graphic straight from the horses mouth. Front wheels driven by the AWD transfer case at front of transmission.

Definitely an interesting concept, I am very curious what the early impressions are. It's a similar (flipped 180 degrees) version to what Koenigsegg is doing with the Gemera - and a lot less power.

It should have a much better throttle response vs. the G8X cars due to the electric turbo and hybridization so it will feel torquey and strong, however it's going to be an absolute boat I guess 4,400lbs - new C300 is 3,900lbs and add in the battery and electric motor and easy 4,300-4,400 range for the AMG.

Ah I see it now, in the pic you can make out the end of an output shaft going forward, the wheel at the front is blocking most of it. Missed that.

[Tacoma]

Originally Posted by elitex

It's the 4 cyl for me. Unless they truly did something spectacular which I highly doubt (at this price point). Let's see.

We're in a transition period away from ICE and hybrids are integral to this transition. The much revered 1700 hp Koenigegg Gemera hybrid runs an inline 3 turbo engine. The M139 engine is award winning. The only issue is the sound and weight but I wouldn't put it past AMG to make it sound decent. We'll see how the weight impacts handling. The G8x is far from the best sounding anyway and also a heavyweight, so it's not like it's a high bar.

And no one has talked about gas prices that are through the roof these days and I heard this will continue for a while, maybe even years. I can afford it so not an issue but I'm sick of being ripped off by oil companies and screwed by the oil tycoons (not to mention Putin) in Russia and Middle East. Frankly, there's more incentive now to move away from ICE more than ever.

[barryc365]

They really skimped out of the arches. Doesn't look beefy at all which is a shame

I'm sure it will be a great car and the EV element could be very useful for certain driving situations, traffic etc

[Schn3ll]

Originally Posted by barryc365

They really skimped out of the arches. Doesn't look beefy at all which is a shame

I'm sure it will be a great car and the EV element could be very useful for certain driving situations, traffic etc

That's MB doing MB - they have always kept the standard rear arches on all C63's as far as I know. Such a bad decision. They flare the front fenders, but not the rear...

[elitex]

Originally Posted by Schn3ll

That's MB doing MB - they have always kept the standard rear arches on all C63's as far as I know. Such a bad decision. They flare the front fenders, but not the rear...

Coupes have the wider hips, I believe it started with the current Gen. W205.

[elitex]

Originally Posted by Tacoma

We're in a transition period away from ICE and hybrids are integral to this transition. The much revered 1700 hp Koenigegg Gemera hybrid runs an inline 3 turbo engine. The M139 engine is award winning. The only issue is the sound and weight but I wouldn't put it past AMG to make it sound decent. We'll see how the weight impacts handling. The G8x is far from the best sounding anyway and also a heavyweight, so it's not like it's a high bar.

And no one has talked about gas prices that are through the roof these days and I heard this will continue for a while, maybe even years. I can afford it so not an issue but I'm sick of being ripped off by oil companies and screwed by the oil tycoons (not to mention Putin) in Russia and Middle East. Frankly, there's more incentive now to move away from ICE more than ever.

Oh I understand completely. They could've done a stepped approach by going with hybrid 6 then 4. Don't care how much power a 3 cyl is putting out. Not my cup of tea not like I can afford it anyway. But I am sure people that are buying these types of cars already have few v12's so it doesn't really matter.

[BugKiller]

Parted with my '18 C63s coupe the day after I placed a deposit on an allocated M4Cx (currently build week 20, fingers crossed).

After 8 MBZs across 52 years, including 3 AMGs, the C63s ended my love of the brand so much that I cannot see myself ever in a C class and probably not in another MBZ. The stupid steering column shifter, terrible blind spot visibility, and big car feel were just the top of my hate list.

[TexasEd]

I owned an 2020 AMG C63s Coupe in Black. I had it tuned by Renntech, new turbos, catless downpipes, and Vorsteiner wheels. The car had a luxurious feel and look in the interior. The car did run nicely but it was very heavy which detracted from its performance.

I prefer the M4 G82 as it is quicker and more nimble in driving. In comparing the two cars relative to overall fit and finish I would give the nod to the AMG.

[elitex]

Originally Posted by TexasEd

I owned an 2020 AMG C63s Coupe in Black. I had it tuned by Renntech, new turbos, catless downpipes, and Vorsteiner wheels. The car had a luxurious feel and look in the interior. The car did run nicely but it was very heavy which detracted from its performance.

I prefer the M4 G82 as it is quicker and more nimble in driving. In comparing the two cars relative to overall fit and finish I would give the nod to the AMG.

I sold my 2020 C63s coupe for an M8 and TBH I really enjoyed my time in C63. It plays the balancing act of comfort, Sport, luxury and looks really well.

[Vic55]

Originally Posted by elitex

Coupes have the wider hips, I believe it started with the current Gen. W205.

Well if you want to get technical, my 204 is quite the hipster





My 205 was ok

[elitex]

Originally Posted by Vic55

Well if you want to get technical, my 204 is quite the hipster

Ha. That BS looks amazing! You should sell it…… to me. 😀

[mthreesixty3]

I had 2 w205s

Going to a 4-cylinder somewhat kills it for me.

I’ve never loved beemers. Steering feels really dull and the sound isn’t there. That’s why I got the AMG.

I was gun-ho on the F80 aesthetically, then I drove it. Hated it and the C63 blew me away.

Now the G80 is really impressing me. Need to find one to test drive.

Although I’m not looking to move from my 911 for quite some time and when I do, the AMG GTR is at the top of my list!

[KillerExcessive]

Originally Posted by Vic55

Well if you want to get technical, my 204 is quite the hipster





My 205 was ok

I miss my w204. Such a charismatic engine despite all the other flaws.

[Besharaf]

I might be in the minority, but Mercedes took a bigger leap with the interior design. Although some say the look is boring, the C63 might look a bit menacing when it comes out. I wouldn't mind driving in this cabin.

Until you hear it

https://youtu.be/Xv30MDtDpWs

[wtwo3]

Originally Posted by Besharaf

I might be in the minority, but Mercedes took a bigger leap with the interior design. Although some say the look is boring, the C63 might look a bit menacing when it comes out. I wouldn't mind driving in this cabin.

Until you hear it

https://youtu.be/Xv30MDtDpWs

I think the car itself is pretty good looking... if maybe a but too subdued. But I just can't see myself spending that kind of money for a dinky 4 banger no matter how much f1 inspired tech is in it. At that point they might as well just go full EV.

[Besharaf]

Agreed, I was full gung ho on a W205 until I saw the G80. I'm still going to get the M3, whether now or in 2 years time, but I'm reserving full judgement for the C63e. It could end up being a monster of a car.