G80 G82 G83 Engine (S58) Main Bearing Shell Recall / Stop Sale

Celestion · 10-22-2021, 12:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Tdubb88

This was interesting. Seems like it would've been more relevant to post it here

https://www.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh...php?p=28169732

Wow so only 35 cars were affected?

eclipsenf · 10-22-2021, 01:26 AM

I have a small update from my dealer in Australia. They said in their system that they only have 1 car affected by this recall, and my car built late September, is not affected, as was shown on the UK recall site for me previously. So good luck everybody

wickeded · 10-22-2021, 01:34 AM

I know it's a hard thing to answer but do we think every car that has had the error is going to undertake work or will it be an inspection and then a decision if work needs doing?

Audicy · 10-22-2021, 06:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Sottozero

My understanding is that this is a stop sale, not a stop drive. I think you will get your car back.

Not here, took my M4 in for its break-in service and stone chip repair... an hour later they called me and said they can't release the car.

However, my situation is unique in that they delivered the car the day after the stop delivery was issued. BMW apparently won't finalize the sale and BMW Financing won't pay the dealer. So even after I've had the car sin e the 9th (2 weeks) they stole it back without consent.

BMW Durham in Ontario, Canada

Sottozero · 10-22-2021, 06:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Audicy

Not here, took my M4 in for its break-in service and stone chip repair... an hour later they called me and said they can't release the car.

However, my situation is unique in that they delivered the car the day after the stop delivery was issued. BMW apparently won't finalize the sale and BMW Financing won't pay the dealer. So even after I've had the car sin e the 9th (2 weeks) they stole it back without consent.

BMW Durham in Ontario, Canada

I think they are not releasing your car because your situation is extremely edge-case, as you note.

barryc365 · 10-22-2021, 07:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Audicy

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Originally Posted by Sottozero

My understanding is that this is a stop sale, not a stop drive. I think you will get your car back.

Not here, took my M4 in for its break-in service and stone chip repair... an hour later they called me and said they can't release the car.

However, my situation is unique in that they delivered the car the day after the stop delivery was issued. BMW apparently won't finalize the sale and BMW Financing won't pay the dealer. So even after I've had the car sin e the 9th (2 weeks) they stole it back without consent.

BMW Durham in Ontario, Canada

What are they giving you in terms of compensation? I assume they will have to waive the payments and give you a car while this is going on?

amzbimmer · 10-22-2021, 07:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Tdubb88

This was interesting. Seems like it would've been more relevant to post it here

https://www.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh...php?p=28169732

Thanks for sharing. Everyone should read this.

To me the article suggests they really have no idea exactly how many cars are affected, but for now it is 35. This is a bit concerning to me as they may need to go back to the drawing board and change the process by which they develop the bearing shells.

The fact that it was uncovered during a routine quality check suggests there could have been additional cars, both before and after the quality check, they may have been affected.

I hope you guys aren't losing too much sleep over this. Although disheartening, at the end of the day it is a car, and hopefully you can sell it for near what you bought it for and upgrade to a 2023 next year once they get it sorted out.

Tdubb88 · 10-22-2021, 07:17 AM

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Originally Posted by amzbimmer

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tdubb88

This was interesting. Seems like it would've been more relevant to post it here

https://www.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh...php?p=28169732

Thanks for sharing. Everyone should read this.

To me the article suggests they really have no idea exactly how many cars are affected, but for now it is 35. This is a bit concerning to me as they may need to go back to the drawing board and change the process by which they develop the bearing shells.

The fact that it was uncovered during a routine quality check suggests there could have been additional cars, both before and after the quality check, they may have been affected.

I hope you guys aren't losing too much sleep over this. Although disheartening, at the end of the day it is a car, and hopefully you can sell it for near what you bought it for and upgrade to a 2023 next year once they get it sorted out.

My best guess at the 35 number is just the number of cars in Germany or something, but who knows. I think there are more than 35 people on this thread that have indicated they were impacted

LukeM15 · 10-22-2021, 08:17 AM

35 seems like too low.

Vic55 · 10-22-2021, 10:24 AM

alot to digest and read so please pardon the ignorance:

When the thread first was posted I went to the UK Recall site and my car tested positive for bearingshell21.... and of course the US site has nada

Yesterday I retried the UK site and now its says my car does not have any pending recalls; the US site says the same shit = nada.

Anyone have an idea here or an educated guess? FYI- Im driving the car hard and faster than ever so fuck off bearing shells!!!!!!!!

MavRick · 10-22-2021, 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Vic55

alot to digest and read so please pardon the ignorance:

When the thread first was posted I went to the UK Recall site and my car tested positive for bearingshell21.... and of course the US site has nada

Yesterday I retried the UK site and now its says my car does not have any pending recalls; the US site says the same shit = nada.

Anyone have an idea here or an educated guess? FYI- Im driving the car hard and faster than ever so fuck off bearing shells!!!!!!!!

BMW caught wind...after all the calls asking for explanations...of the UK site. they were caught with their pants down. so they took it (the site) offline for a day. when it came back up...NO ONE had the bearing recall. but it still relayed info concerning chip recalls. BMW, likely, just wiped the bearing stuff of the interwebs until they can make a formal announcement regarding the issue.

KnightedBMW · 10-22-2021, 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by MavRick

BMW caught wind...after all the calls asking for explanations...of the UK site. they were caught with their pants down. so they took it (the site) offline for a day. when it came back up...NO ONE had the bearing recall. but it still relayed info concerning chip recalls. BMW, likely, just wiped the bearing stuff of the interwebs until they can make a formal announcement regarding the issue.

Yup.

LukeM15 · 10-22-2021, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Vic55

alot to digest and read so please pardon the ignorance:

When the thread first was posted I went to the UK Recall site and my car tested positive for bearingshell21.... and of course the US site has nada

Yesterday I retried the UK site and now its says my car does not have any pending recalls; the US site says the same shit = nada.

Anyone have an idea here or an educated guess? FYI- Im driving the car hard and faster than ever so fuck off bearing shells!!!!!!!!

Hahahaha same here….sin miedo

Vic55 · 10-22-2021, 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by LukeM15

Hahahaha same here….sin miedo

Thats my mentality

Lets fucking goooooooooooooooo

Unless its one's only car

LukeM15 · 10-22-2021, 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Vic55

Thats my mentality

Lets fucking goooooooooooooooo

Unless its one's only car

Totally agree!

KnightedBMW · 10-22-2021, 11:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vic55

Thats my mentality

Lets fucking goooooooooooooooo

Unless its one's only car

Like me.

02M3ForMe · 10-22-2021, 12:34 PM

The fact that BMW proactively issued a recall suggests that it's in response to a possible known part defect for a specific production batch or a known period where installation/testing procedures may have been incorrect or incorrectly followed. It certainly doesn't appear to be in response to any actual failures (unless they happened at the factory during QC).

I doubt there's anything to be concerned about if your car isn't in what appears to be a very small subset of overall production. This isn't spinning crankhubs nor fast-wearing rod bearings.

LuvMyE92 · 10-22-2021, 12:37 PM

This sucks for all of you affected by it, and I wish you the best.

If I may, let me share an anecdote which may relate somewhat.

I used to work for a consumer products company. There was a batch of contaminated material that got into the supply pipeline. Our largest competitor had the same issue, and had to recall 100% of their production for that period, which resulted in literally millions of dollars of lost and destroyed product that could not be sold.

My company had a much more advanced inventory control system, and they were able to identify the specific products that contained the contaminated supply, when it was produced, and which wholesalers got it. They only had to recall a small percentage of product.

BMW, and most contemporary manufacturers, now track every single product that suppliers bring in, and if they can identify which lot(s) of bearings that were potentially bad, they can then narrow it down to a specific set of engines, and therefore cars. As they do more testing and analysis, I'm sure they can narrow down the data set even more.

So, although I did not read all 32 pages of this thread, I can see how it went from thousands of cars down to just 35. And maybe less.

And I understand the concern about opening up a new engine and replacing major components, but if it happened to my car (as it did to my E34 V8 back in the Nakasil days) I would not worry about them "forgetting to tighten a bolt" or other issues like that. Typically, experienced, lead techs do those kind of jobs, not the new kid that was working the oil change rack last week.

KnightedBMW · 10-22-2021, 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by 02M3ForMe

The fact that BMW proactively issued a recall suggests that it's in response to a possible known part defect for a specific production batch or a known period where installation/testing procedures may have been incorrect or incorrectly followed. It certainly doesn't appear to be in response to any actual failures (unless they happened at the factory during QC).

I doubt there's anything to be concerned about if your car isn't in what appears to be a very small subset of overall production. This isn't spinning crankhubs nor fast-wearing rod bearings.

Except BMW hasn't proactively issued anything. There is no recall out. The info we got was from leaks and everyone's "confirmation" from calling various outlets. Not one person has received any official recall notice from BMW (yet) to my knowledge.

02M3ForMe · 10-22-2021, 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by KnightedBMW

Except BMW hasn't proactively issued anything. There is no recall out. The info we got was from leaks and everyone's "confirmation" from calling various outlets. Not one person has received any official recall notice from BMW (yet) to my knowledge.

Certain deliveries have been proactively blocked due to the associated stop sale.

Whether or not they've announced the particulars of the recall has no bearing (ha) on the fact that this issue apparently has nothing to do with actual observed failures, of which there appear to be none post-delivery, and isn't a critical flaw that impacts a significant number of S58s like the S55's crankhub design that affects every S55.

KnightedBMW · 10-22-2021, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by 02M3ForMe

Certain deliveries have been proactively blocked due to the associated stop sale.

Whether or not they've announced the particulars of the recall has no bearing (ha) on the fact that this issue apparently has nothing to do with actual observed failures, of which there appear to be none post-delivery, and isn't a critical flaw that impacts a significant number of S58s like the S55's crankhub design that affects every S55.

Agreed. There's a distinction between a stop sale and a recall, although it may make no difference to some. For those of us whose cars are being driven (mine), there is no official recall from BMW and BMW has seemed to clamp down on the previous leaks and removed any indication of any issue.

I'm not naïve and in no way believe that my car now miraculously is fine, but until I'm notified officially from BMW, there is no recall.

jailonacs99 · 10-22-2021, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by KnightedBMW

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vic55

Thats my mentality

Lets fucking goooooooooooooooo

Unless its one's only car

Like me.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vic55

Quote:

Originally Posted by LukeM15

Hahahaha same here….sin miedo

Thats my mentality

Lets fucking goooooooooooooooo

Unless its one's only car

Hey, like the article said:

"the company continues to say. If you are one of the 35 customers who have to wait a little longer for their car, we recommend taking a look at our photo show to increase the anticipation."

Lol, I hope they don't actually tell any owners/buyers to do this

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02M3ForMe Lieutenant Colonel 4262 Rep 1,623 Posts Drives: BMW Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: USA iTrader: (0)	The fact that BMW proactively issued a recall suggests that it's in response to a possible known part defect for a specific production batch or a known period where installation/testing procedures may have been incorrect or incorrectly followed. It certainly doesn't appear to be in response to any actual failures (unless they happened at the factory during QC). I doubt there's anything to be concerned about if your car isn't in what appears to be a very small subset of overall production. This isn't spinning crankhubs nor fast-wearing rod bearings.
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LuvMyE92 Occasionally frequent poster 3000 Rep 2,744 Posts Drives: CT5V-Blackwing Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: RTP NC, USA iTrader: (0)	This sucks for all of you affected by it, and I wish you the best. If I may, let me share an anecdote which may relate somewhat. I used to work for a consumer products company. There was a batch of contaminated material that got into the supply pipeline. Our largest competitor had the same issue, and had to recall 100% of their production for that period, which resulted in literally millions of dollars of lost and destroyed product that could not be sold. My company had a much more advanced inventory control system, and they were able to identify the specific products that contained the contaminated supply, when it was produced, and which wholesalers got it. They only had to recall a small percentage of product. BMW, and most contemporary manufacturers, now track every single product that suppliers bring in, and if they can identify which lot(s) of bearings that were potentially bad, they can then narrow it down to a specific set of engines, and therefore cars. As they do more testing and analysis, I'm sure they can narrow down the data set even more. So, although I did not read all 32 pages of this thread, I can see how it went from thousands of cars down to just 35. And maybe less. And I understand the concern about opening up a new engine and replacing major components, but if it happened to my car (as it did to my E34 V8 back in the Nakasil days) I would not worry about them "forgetting to tighten a bolt" or other issues like that. Typically, experienced, lead techs do those kind of jobs, not the new kid that was working the oil change rack last week. __________________ Current inventory: F22 & G05 Cadillac CT5-V Blackwing w/3 pedals Past: E24,E28(3),E34,E36,E37,E38(2),E39(4),E46,E89,E92 (obviously),F01,F06,F10,F30,F87,G12,G30(2),G82(2)
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