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I drive the G82 with the F82 and E92
Featured on BIMMERPOST.com I owned an E92 for almost 10 years, and been around many F8Xs, including on the track at M School, so I know my way around both cars. After driving the G80, I loved it so much that I've placed an order. But how does it compare to previous M Coupes? https://machineswithsouls.com/2021/0...e-f82-and-e92/
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Quote from your blog: "If the E92 needed a push to feel like an M, and the F82 M4 always felt like one, this car splits the difference nicely."
For daily driving, I don't find I need to push the E92 hard or near speed limit for it to feel like a M (but of course better when pushed harder) vs the F10 M5 where it needs to exceed speed limit for it to be alive. Do you agree with this, and how does the G82 feel/drive? Quote from article on Chris Harris: "See? He also owns three Peugeot 205 XSs and a pair of 205 Rallyes. No GTIs – too obvious. One of the 1.3 Rallyes – which was a French market rally homologation car with big carbs on a small engine – is in mint condition. Harris insists I hear the engine. “They are so immediate, so ultimately not fast, but so exciting at not going fast. That’s the key to motoring going forwards – being excited but not needing to go superfast.”" https://www.gq-magazine.co.uk/lifest...car-collection
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If you just drove the E forever without ever getting into a more modern BMW, you'd be like "wow, this is amazing" When you go back to back it does start to show its age in chassis stiffness and lack of torque. You definitely don't need to go super fast to have fun in a car, but there is a crispness and immediate responsiveness in the new G that just isn't there in the E.
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There’s a saying, never drive a hero from the past. Time is ruthless and what was greatness at the time will eventually fall victim to old and slow in a back to back comparison. It’s so good to hear that the new car is picking up the torch of the former M3s of being great in the present.
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So if you had to pick one, which one has the most "soul"?
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It's not the F8X.
I need more time with the G. Mine arrives in May so I think I can answer that question better after a "getting to know you" period. But at first glance it's the E. You love it for what it can't do as much as what it can.
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Yeah my money is on the E9X - IMO a car can't be too effortless if we're talking about "soul" (well at least what I consider "soul"). The problem that both F8X and G8X have is they're just way too powerful & capable to wring out outside of a track - too effortless on the street
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The g80 feels similar to the f80's I've driven where the quest for faster lap times has lead to a ride on normal roads that's too firm IMO. I will still probably buy the car as it's best of the current competition but I wish bmw softened down comfort suspension so there was less vertical motion transmitted to the occupants on rough roads. Previous m3's struck a better balance between compliance and body control IMO. To me despite how fast the m3 is on track it's still a road car and needs to work on the road. That's my biggest complaint about the car but oh well.
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The S65/S85 were pinnacle excitement for a road car but at a great cost in many measures and now they are dated in performance too. The rest of the E9x was pretty ho hum although I did personally like the interior and exterior design quite a lot. But the hydraulic steering and DCT attached to that motor is something else. I disliked the 6MT on the E9x because well, it was just not good. I've had ownership time now in modern N20, N55, B58, and S58 powered cars as well as a couple FI Audis and when you move to those powertrains in modern packages, it's impossible for me to go back to NA as it would be just for the sound and that's not enough. |
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The F8x biggest downfall is always going to be the steering feel. I've driven tons of new sports cars and the F8x is so off, it's horrible steering honestly, it's so weird. The car feels planted and is confidence inspiring and overall the chassis & feel makes up for everything but the actual steering is just off. I think the CS/GTS is better.
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It's not harsh or brittle feeling it just transmits a lot of vertical motion into the cabin I feel. I still am shopping for the car and it won't put me off buying it as it's a trend among all newer sports cars but I still don't like it.
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When I drive it myself, there is a better sense that everything is connected and nothing felt harsh to me. I liken it to a mini M5.
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Also I don't even mean hydraulic steering. The Alfa Romeo Giulia 2.0T has the best electric steering I've ever felt, and the new g20 330i comes close. I've driven a giulia 2.0T and a F82 M4 back to back very hard extensively. Obviously the M4 is in a completely different class of capability, but when it comes to steering, any normal driver would be able to tell the giulia just feels so much better. Also While I think the new c63s has inferior overall handling, the steering is better. The one I drove was lowered so maybe that just made the car feel better, but while you can definitely feel it's weight, the steering is direct. Also I have noticed that in comfort the f82 steering feels way better than sport plus; as per Chris Harris. |
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I keep hearing about Giulia steering! Is it close to the G20 steering? I just had one as a loaner earlier this week, and it is noticeably better than F30 was but felt more distant than when I got back into my F82. But on the whole, BMW EPS has gotten better in the normal models that I've driven
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I never warmed up to the steering in the F80. I'm sure the G80 is improved. As others alluded to the E90 will be probably the most "soulful" of the three due to its hydraulic steering and lower limits that can be explored even when driving around town. But the steering is definitely not as quick/precise as newer cars, and torque was always an issue, no denying that.
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