[M3guy3]

Originally Posted by sycd

Plug-in hybrid is all right I guess, like the upcoming plug-in hybrid X5. You still have the option of driving with a real engine unlike the 100% electric which are not practical for long-distance travel.

But really you have to wonder about the real environment impact given the tiny market share of our cars, seems to be more of a gimmick/bragging right thing to me.

electric motors are going to become more common place in other models besides the M cars. So its more economical to just have everything become hybrid.

just how everything will become automatic transmission. The small market for manual drivers is no longer worth the cost to make.

[Blindside_137]

Originally Posted by STooK

Keeping my e93 forever so don't care if the next gen runs on water or fairy dust. I've driven the i3 and the P85D and electric cars are definitely the way of the future. So much fun just punching it from a dig and getting thrown back into the seat.

As much as I would love to own an E90 S65, they certainly won't last forever.

This tech is welcomed IMO, it would only make the car better at performance and economy. I would love to have both an E90 M and the next gen M4 in my stable one day.

[Ringer]

If BMW's next M3 gen will go Hybrid..i will be Audi's best client.

[midwest 340xi 6sp]

Originally Posted by Ringer

If BMW's next M3 gen will go Hybrid..i will be Audi's best client.

Yes, its a safe bet Audi won't soon follow into Hybrid...

[m34m]

In case there was any doubt that the F80/2 was the first step in the downward trajectory of the M3 brand. I reckon my super low mileage E92 M3 will be worth it's weight in gold by then certainly from the enthusiast perspective if not the financial one.

[M3guy3]

Originally Posted by Blindside_137

As much as I would love to own an E90 S65, they certainly won't last forever.

This tech is welcomed IMO, it would only make the car better at performance and economy. I would love to have both an E90 M and the next gen M4 in my stable one day.

i am planning on getting a E60 m5 or m6 years from now when they are really cheap as a extra car. Just cant help but to keep some of that old school power.

[M3guy3]

Originally Posted by Ringer

If BMW's next M3 gen will go Hybrid..i will be Audi's best client.

idk if you havent noticed but audi, benz, and bmw all do the same stuff with each generation.

[Ringer]

Originally Posted by M3guy3

idk if you havent noticed but audi, benz, and bmw all do the same stuff with each generation.

I wouldn't say that. At least not in the cars that i really have interest.

Time will tell.

[M3guy3]

Originally Posted by Ringer

I wouldn't say that. At least not in the cars that i really have interest.

Time will tell.

wanna bet the next RS4/5 will be a 6 cylinder turbo engine ?

[Ringer]

Originally Posted by M3guy3

wanna bet the next RS4/5 will be a 6 cylinder turbo engine ?

My friend i don't buy cars for fashion. I see myself as a real petrolhead which admires really great cars. If i ever would go for an RS4, that would be a B7 series. RS5 doesn't work for me. Pointless! On the other hand i'm thinking seriously to purchase the new RS3 Sportback or wait until next year for the RS3 Saloon. Who knows?

BMW start to loose some key elements....the future will tell.

* I and my family are huge BMW fans for ages. Imagine how we felt when BMW presented the M4! A BIG disappointment..

[FilipMPower]

Originally Posted by Ringer

My friend i don't buy cars for fashion. I see myself as a real petrolhead which admires really great cars. If i ever would go for an RS4, that would be a B7 series. RS5 doesn't work for me. Pointless! On the other hand i'm thinking seriously to purchase the new RS3 Sportback or wait until next year for the RS3 Saloon. Who knows?

BMW start to loose some key elements....the future will tell.

* I and my family are huge BMW fans for ages. Imagine how we felt when BMW presented the M4! A BIG disappointment..

So the M4, with a lightweight chassis, snappy transmission, extremely rigid structure, very well working e-diff, balanced handling and arguably one of the best electric steering systems is a disappointment, but the understeery mess of the RS3 isn't?

Honestly I dont understand the hate about the M4. Hating a car because the sound isnt as good as it used to be, and disregarding all the new innovations to chassis and drivetrain.

[ORIGIN M.]

Very well put.

Clearly the BMW 3.0 CSL Hommage R Concept showcases the ///M-Car of the future.

Originally Posted by terminator335i

These are how current bmw m3/4 cars are always based on:
M5 generation cars come out before the newer m3/4.
E30 m3s were high revving NA inline 4 cylinders based on the same platform E36 M5 NA inline 6, but minus 2 cylinders because they were lower specs M cars (3 series vs 5 series).

E36 and E46 m3s were high revving NA inline 6 cylinders based on the same platform E39 M5 NA V8 but minus 2 cylinders because they were lower specs M cars (3 series vs 5 series).

E90/92/93 m3s were high revving NA v8 cylinders based on the same platform E60 M5 NA V10 minus 2 cylinders because they were lower specs M cars (3 series vs 5 series).

F80/82/83 m3s and M4s are currently for the first time using Forced induction "twin Turbo" inline 6cylinders based on the same platform F10 M5 Forced induction twin turbo V8 minus 2 cylinders because they were lower specs M cars (3 series vs 5 series). This is because Bmw has to "Get with the time", because their philosophy has always been that they believe "Forced induction are a cheap way of delivering performance", but had to resort to this.

So for the next generation "G Series" M3/4, look at the next generation "G Series" M5.

My guess is that the G Series M5/6 will keep their Twin turbo V8 S63 engine but incorporate two electric engines in the front axle (for a supposed Awd drivetrain) and this means the G Series M3/4 will also keep their same engine S55 and also incorporate two electric motors to power the car (for an Awd launch) but can be switched off for Rwd tracks.


Everyone has to accept that the world is changing. Oil prices are just going to rise significantly after 2020, global green house emission will restrict car manufacturers in their emission and governments will tax them heavily based on emission and engine displacements. This means the once "golden" period of naturally aspirated 6/8/10/12 cylinder motors will be replaced by smaller engine capacity with forced induction and electric motors (hybrid) setup before the complete phase out of gasoline cars to fully electric cars. Look at Formula 1 for example, the once beautiful high pitched NA V10/12 engines are now a hybrid twin turbo v6 with electric motors. Like it or not, this is how it will unfold.

[M3guy3]

Originally Posted by Ringer

My friend i don't buy cars for fashion. I see myself as a real petrolhead which admires really great cars. If i ever would go for an RS4, that would be a B7 series. RS5 doesn't work for me. Pointless! On the other hand i'm thinking seriously to purchase the new RS3 Sportback or wait until next year for the RS3 Saloon. Who knows?

BMW start to loose some key elements....the future will tell.

* I and my family are huge BMW fans for ages. Imagine how we felt when BMW presented the M4! A BIG disappointment..

you missed my point.

If people has a electric motor hybrid then audi will have one. in there car that compete with the M3.

[wanghao]

sounds good but it just doesnt make me feel as good

[Ringer]

Originally Posted by FilipMPower

So the M4, with a lightweight chassis, snappy transmission, extremely rigid structure, very well working e-diff, balanced handling and arguably one of the best electric steering systems is a disappointment, but the understeery mess of the RS3 isn't?

Honestly I dont understand the hate about the M4. Hating a car because the sound isnt as good as it used to be, and disregarding all the new innovations to chassis and drivetrain.

My problem (if i can call it problem) is that i don't like the design. I really enjoy driving my best friend's M3 F80. Mechanically is the same thing with the M4, nothing changes. Of course times change..and we should follow the next step. But Hybrid M3??

RS3 is smaller and for couple of grams lighter but this doesn't have to do with the whole package.

M3 F80 is an excellent car and i'm glad that BMW put again a six cylinder engine to the specific platform. I'm still even thinking to order mines in individual colour. But after these years, to see something called M4...it's hard!

I believe that the M3 F80 will be the last of the mohicans. Unfortunately..

[Ashley Schaeffer BMW]

Originally Posted by ASAP

No surprises... btw does anyone know what a P1, 918 spyder and LaFerrari are? It's not the end of the world... if BMW even made an M version of the i8, it would outperform the M3 in nearly every way... the tech is through the roof.

Are you really comparing anything BMW makes with a 918??


Bwahahahahaha...... Derp

[ASAP]

Originally Posted by Ashley Schaeffer BMW

Are you really comparing anything BMW makes with a 918??


Bwahahahahaha...... Derp

You mean to tell me that nothing a company whose max car is 150k compares to a near million dollar car?

k, thx let me note that down

The intelligent person here understood that bmw took 918 tech and made the concepts available at 1/6 the price.

[Ringer]

Originally Posted by M3guy3

If people has a electric motor hybrid then audi will have one. in there car that compete with the M3.

Of course. This is the 'continuation' of how things rolls. That's why i'm staying 'stuck' to cars up to 2012 with some exceptions.

[Mike_SSV]

Was just discussing the other day that I thought the next gen AMG C and M3 would be a hybrid.

I really think it will bring performance to another level. Also, if it increases the longevity of the petrol engine, then bring it on.

[Chief Kronos]

There's still plenty of time for hybrid technologies to perfected and cost less. I just hope that's done a little better then the i8.

[Sephiroth]

Would be better if they don't call it 'M3'

[Brosef]

Originally Posted by terminator335i

These are how current bmw m3/4 cars are always based on:
M5 generation cars come out before the newer m3/4.
E30 m3s were high revving NA inline 4 cylinders based on the same platform E36 M5 NA inline 6, but minus 2 cylinders because they were lower specs M cars (3 series vs 5 series).

E36 and E46 m3s were high revving NA inline 6 cylinders based on the same platform E39 M5 NA V8 but minus 2 cylinders because they were lower specs M cars (3 series vs 5 series).

E90/92/93 m3s were high revving NA v8 cylinders based on the same platform E60 M5 NA V10 minus 2 cylinders because they were lower specs M cars (3 series vs 5 series).

F80/82/83 m3s and M4s are currently for the first time using Forced induction "twin Turbo" inline 6cylinders based on the same platform F10 M5 Forced induction twin turbo V8 minus 2 cylinders because they were lower specs M cars (3 series vs 5 series). This is because Bmw has to "Get with the time", because their philosophy has always been that they believe "Forced induction are a cheap way of delivering performance", but had to resort to this.

So for the next generation "G Series" M3/4, look at the next generation "G Series" M5.

My guess is that the G Series M5/6 will keep their Twin turbo V8 S63 engine but incorporate two electric engines in the front axle (for a supposed Awd drivetrain) and this means the G Series M3/4 will also keep their same engine S55 and also incorporate two electric motors to power the car (for an Awd launch) but can be switched off for Rwd tracks.


Everyone has to accept that the world is changing. Oil prices are just going to rise significantly after 2020, global green house emission will restrict car manufacturers in their emission and governments will tax them heavily based on emission and engine displacements. This means the once "golden" period of naturally aspirated 6/8/10/12 cylinder motors will be replaced by smaller engine capacity with forced induction and electric motors (hybrid) setup before the complete phase out of gasoline cars to fully electric cars. Look at Formula 1 for example, the once beautiful high pitched NA V10/12 engines are now a hybrid twin turbo v6 with electric motors. Like it or not, this is how it will unfold.

how could an inline-6 be based on a V8? I agree with the others, but not sure on this one.