Rumor: Next gen 2020 BMW M3 / M4 hybrid

The Flying Scotsman · 08-15-2015, 03:49 PM

Just hope it doesn't run out of steam like the Tesla...

3PedalMINI · 08-15-2015, 03:57 PM

Yikes! Guess this also means the end of manuals in ///M cars

I'll be getting an m2 in two years, I think I'll seal it away somewhere and then make a huge ROI at the auction in 10 years

inagua · 08-15-2015, 04:06 PM

have you driven in a tesla. The zero to 60 was faster than my F13 M6. Just saying there is potential for faster 0-60 and more torque with electric engine
Just hope BMW doesnt "pipe' in more artificial exhaust sound

midwest 340xi 6sp · 08-15-2015, 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by M3guy3

with a huge push for more environmental friendly engines. one would think that the old style engines would be sought after.

my problem is that i see gas become more expensive, and at some point not available at a mass level like it is today.

this generation went turbo, next goes electric and turbo, next goes full electric.

I agree...M cars are not exactly MB Gullwings. Gas will probably be prohibitively expensive down the road as well.

bradleyland · 08-15-2015, 04:47 PM

EDIT: Scratch that. What I originally read about the Regera wasn't accurate. The ICE does directly drive the rear axle.

krnnerdboy · 08-15-2015, 04:48 PM

All for it and very excited about it.

4er_Meister · 08-15-2015, 04:50 PM

BMW NEVER disappoints guys! We all know that! Isn't that why we are all here! ///M forever!!!

Eddien123 · 08-15-2015, 04:56 PM

Alright well if they throw in an electric motor for efficiency then they should bring back a proper high revving engine to place in the engine bay.

dclowd9901 · 08-15-2015, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by F83

Wow. End of an era beginning of something new. Not down on it, I just hope they get it right. If this is the last generation of gasoline Ms, I do think I'll be keeping mine for a while.

I'm excited; I'm just thinking of a 918 Spider-lite. I just had a conversation about this yesterday with someone. Hybrid as a supplement (rather than complement) to the ICE means monstrous torque and horsepower, and more efficient recapture of lost power (from braking, ostensibly).

StealYourFace · 08-15-2015, 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Falafel Combo

So ... I guess I'll be buying out the f80 lease?

J/k I'm actually looking forward to this new tech. And let me be the first to say ... AWD. 2 electric front wheels for off the line traction and instantaneous shredding, 2 burn rubbery rear wheels for everything else. It ain't that hard BMW. And then I don't have to buy no stinking snow tires!!!!

What about turning or stopping?

Needsdecaf · 08-15-2015, 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by bradleyland

EDIT: Scratch that. What I originally read about the Regera wasn't accurate. The ICE does directly drive the rear axle.

Correct. But it has no transmission!

Needsdecaf · 08-15-2015, 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Falafel Combo

So ... I guess I'll be buying out the f80 lease?

J/k I'm actually looking forward to this new tech. And let me be the first to say ... AWD. 2 electric front wheels for off the line traction and instantaneous shredding, 2 burn rubbery rear wheels for everything else. It ain't that hard BMW. And then I don't have to buy no stinking snow tires!!!!

You should ALWAYS buy snow tires, AWD or not.

bradleyland · 08-15-2015, 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Needsdecaf

Correct. But it has no transmission!

Its still fascinating, for sure

The original write-up I read (and can't find) incorrectly stated that there was no transmission because the ICE would only drive wheels through the electric motors by way of a generator. An incorrect assessment, that I'd guess was due to the "ZOMG no transmission" coverage the car got early on.

KGB_123_99 · 08-15-2015, 05:54 PM

Interesting as this seems to be the future for all BMW models.

Something to think about for all the folks who are welcoming this with wide open arms. As futuristic as BMW tries to be with the i8, the very reason they put an aggressive ASD in there is to make it sound like a proper sports car. As much we try to get away from the rumbling gas engine, it seems that even BMW understands that it is at the very core of a proper car. If this wasn't important, they would pipe in the whirring sound of an electric engine.

The whole point of ASD is to make the engine downsizing more palatable to the average BMW buyer and given how much BMW invested in this tech (more than any other manufacturer), they understand that a proper sounding gas engine is everything. I must be getting old...

W/// · 08-15-2015, 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by ASAP

No surprises... btw does anyone know what a P1, 918 spyder and LaFerrari are? It's not the end of the world... if BMW even made an M version of the i8, it would outperform the M3 in nearly every way... the tech is through the roof.

It's the end of the line for me. I think it'll be an interesting car to drive if true (instant torque is alsays fun), but as someone that works on all my cars, this technology would mean that pretty much only dealerships will be able to fix drivetrains issues.

Not a problem if you lease a new one every 4 years, but I tend to keep cars for a long time.

Scrippy · 08-15-2015, 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by AIRPOWER

Innovation, progress, continuos technological advancements and improvements....good on BMW.

Henry Ford once said "If I had asked people what they wanted, they would have said faster horses".

I think if it was up to most of us our new F8X would have had an improved V8 in it.

That'd be my vote! An improved version of the S65 that had better torque and economy.

Luca Riffer · 08-15-2015, 06:18 PM

That seals it . . M2 6-speed manual set to become an icon. With gasoline at $2.50/gallon Econ 101

dbworld4k · 08-15-2015, 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by StealYourFace

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Originally Posted by Falafel Combo

So ... I guess I'll be buying out the f80 lease?

J/k I'm actually looking forward to this new tech. And let me be the first to say ... AWD. 2 electric front wheels for off the line traction and instantaneous shredding, 2 burn rubbery rear wheels for everything else. It ain't that hard BMW. And then I don't have to buy no stinking snow tires!!!!

What about turning or stopping?

Haven't you been reading this thread? The so called "enthusiast" masses just want gobs of straight line acceleration... Driving dynamics and balance come a very distant second if not third!

Dog Face Pony Soldier · 08-15-2015, 06:52 PM

This is a huge F-YOU to everyone who doesn't have the ability to plug their car in! Hey BMW, a lot of us live in condos and apartments and have zero ability to plug in their car. You just lost all of our business.

Advevo · 08-15-2015, 07:08 PM

I have an e30 m3 rally car and a 1m coupe. I put them nicely under a cloth in my garage and the m2 with a manual is proberly on of the last M cars i am gonna buy!

I am 43 years old i handle it with those cars to my pension

Nice way to save money and don t spend on new cars anymore.

awd m3 with electric power on the front wheels Bye Bye m3!

Buy the last m2 and m3 guys and put it away

Golden Arrow · 08-15-2015, 07:19 PM

Innovate, or die. I'm excited to see what BMW M has up its sleeve for the next car. More communicative suspension and steering, AND electric tech similar to that found in LaFerrari and P1? Bring it on.

Golden Arrow · 08-15-2015, 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by glennQNYC

This is a huge F-YOU to everyone who doesn't have the ability to plug their car in! Hey BMW, a lot of us live in condos and apartments and have zero ability to plug in their car. You just lost all of our business.

Wouldn't the engine recharge the batteries during normal driving?

Also, with the proliferation of EVs and plug-ins, many apartments and condos will be adding charging stations in the future.

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