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      06-09-2021, 07:35 PM   #1
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M3 vs Hellcat 1/4 mile times

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Fairly new member here. In the process of trying secure an allocation for a 2022 M3. I have a 2016 charger hellcat. I'm curious if the times being posted on motor trend is what everyone is running. I don't see any time slips yet. I'm fully aware that that's not all these cars are made for. However curious if anyone has made it to the drag strip yet?

I also do notice something weird and maybe someone can explain this to me. These cars are running roughly 11.6 and trapping from 122-125 which is almost identical to a stock Hellcat. However I noticed the 60-130 is extremely far off. 8.1-8.4 stock hellcat compared to M3/M4 are mid 9s? why such a big gap for almost identical 0-60 and 1/4 mile times?
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Maybe because everyone launches the hellcat like crap and hellcat does better on the top end due the way more horsepower 200 more then then the m3. Horsepower is better top end
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for a hellcat to run 11.6-11.7 stock. Their 0-60 is 3.6-3.7 as well. We're talking the last 4-5MPH before it hits 130. Can't believe it would take the M3 an extra second for the last 4-5MPH after the 1/4. I just thought it was weird. I'm hoping with mods this will get the M3 down to low 5s 60-130 in the future.
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for a hellcat to run 11.6-11.7 stock. Their 0-60 is 3.6-3.7 as well. We're talking the last 4-5MPH before it hits 130. Can't believe it would take the M3 an extra second for the last 4-5MPH after the 1/4. I just thought it was weird. I'm hoping with mods this will get the M3 down to low 5s 60-130 in the future.
Did you ever consider a RS3? They absolutely destroy Hellcats with built motors, I think they are already into the 8's with the IROZ tuned/built motors.

I never would consider a M3 for the task you're going for, I think your Hellcat would rule the roost as most American muscle cars generally do after launch. I think the new Z06 will be a beast.
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Did you ever consider a RS3? They absolutely destroy Hellcats with built motors, I think they are already into the 8's with the IROZ tuned/built motors.

I never would consider a M3 for the task you're going for, I think your Hellcat would rule the roost as most American muscle cars generally do after launch. I think the new Z06 will be a beast.

Nah, RS3 is a little too small and it's kind of bland for me. I sat in m4 yesterday and fell absolutely in love with it. I'm hoping with X3M/ X4M running mid to high 10s with some basic mods. The M3 being built on the same motor will be able run low 10s? That's why I'm getting the 2022 model so I can get AWD.

If this car doesn't ever get there, that'll be fine. I'll get to enjoy a drivers car and have some fun around some twisties that my hellcat couldn't provide at all.
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Did you ever consider a RS3? They absolutely destroy Hellcats with built motors, I think they are already into the 8's with the IROZ tuned/built motors.

I never would consider a M3 for the task you're going for, I think your Hellcat would rule the roost as most American muscle cars generally do after launch. I think the new Z06 will be a beast.

Nah, RS3 is a little too small and it's kind of bland for me. I sat in m4 yesterday and fell absolutely in love with it. I'm hoping with X3M/ X4M running mid to high 10s with some basic mods. The M3 being built on the same motor will be able run low 10s? That's why I'm getting the 2022 model so I can get AWD.

If this car doesn't ever get there, that'll be fine. I'll get to enjoy a drivers car and have some fun around some twisties that my hellcat couldn't provide at all.
I've driven every generation of Hellcat and every vehicle with that engine (challenger/charger (red eye too)/Demon/TrackHawk/Durango) the M3 Comp especially with AWD will absolutely put down those times. it's lighter than the Challenger and it can put power down better. I have no reason to doubt the numbers having owned enough BMWs, I think the AWD M4/3 might run in the high 10's stock fwiw. With a tune you can do a lot more but it's a smaller engine and the power band is different than the Supercharged 6.2 you're used to
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Would think in a 1/4 mile the M will blow away the Hellcat on the launch & for the rest of the 1/4 the Hellcat will be in catchup mode.

Hellcat should either blow past the M at or just after the finish line.

Hellcat has too much bottom end torque for non drag slick runs.

Available traction is not so much of an issue at 60mph for the Hellcat.
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Would think in a 1/4 mile the M will blow away the Hellcat on the launch & for the rest of the 1/4 the Hellcat will be in catchup mode.

Hellcat should either blow past the M at or just after the finish line.

Hellcat has too much bottom end torque for non drag slick runs.

Available traction is not so much of an issue at 60mph for the Hellcat.
you can spin your tires easily at 80mph+ in a Hellcat, I've done it and the first time it happens will make you either laugh or a little jumpy but I'll take any M car over one everyday
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you can spin your tires easily at 80mph+ in a Hellcat, I've done it and the first time it happens will make you either laugh or a little jumpy but I'll take any M car over one everyday
I'll never forget the first time it happened to me. I never thought in my dreams that at from an 80 roll it would spin and it caught me off guard. Granted, temps were around 50 degrees. I hope I feel the same way. The Hellcat did attract a lot of attention, good and bad unfortunately. I'll miss the V8 and the supercharger wine though. Nothing sounds like an American V8.

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I've driven every generation of Hellcat and every vehicle with that engine (challenger/charger (red eye too)/Demon/TrackHawk/Durango) the M3 Comp especially with AWD will absolutely put down those times. it's lighter than the Challenger and it can put power down better. I have no reason to doubt the numbers having owned enough BMWs, I think the AWD M4/3 might run in the high 10's stock fwiw. With a tune you can do a lot more but it's a smaller engine and the power band is different than the Supercharged 6.2 you're used to
I think high 10s might be pushing it. The m5 runs high 10s, seems weird that BMW would allow the smaller sibling to be just as fast. It would be awesome if it did though. I would like to mod this M3 AWD and give shelby GT500 and Hellcats some beatdowns lol.
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I'll never forget the first time it happened to me. I never thought in my dreams that at from an 80 roll it would spin and it caught me off guard. Granted, temps were around 50 degrees. I hope I feel the same way. The Hellcat did attract a lot of attention, good and bad unfortunately. I'll miss the V8 and the supercharger wine though. Nothing sounds like an American V8.

I've done it at 85F or so on warm tires in a Red Eye and the Demon, the supercharger sound is intoxicating, otherwise there's nothing I like about the cars.

I think high 10s might be pushing it. The m5 runs high 10s, seems weird that BMW would allow the smaller sibling to be just as fast. It would be awesome if it did though. I would like to mod this M3 AWD and give shelby GT500 and Hellcats some beatdowns lol.
I don't doubt 10's, here's why. The stock RWD M4/3 run the 1/4 mile in 11.4-11.5s and BMW said it'll cut 0.5s off the time. We know they are generally conservative with numbers so right there we will be at 10.9-11 flat. I think realistically with good tires (Michelin) you will be able to do the same stock. The M3 is lighter and has more power, add in traction and it's a winning combo for sure.
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I don't doubt 10's, here's why. The stock RWD M4/3 run the 1/4 mile in 11.4-11.5s and BMW said it'll cut 0.5s off the time. We know they are generally conservative with numbers so right there we will be at 10.9-11 flat. I think realistically with good tires (Michelin) you will be able to do the same stock. The M3 is lighter and has more power, add in traction and it's a winning combo for sure.
It will definitely be interesting to see. Typically even with better traction, it will have more power loss due to awd and extra weight. Trust me I hope you are right.

I'm going to put my down payment for AWD M3C in about an hour and test drive the M4 they have on the lot. I'm still trying to decided if i can live without the carbon exterior package and if i want to pay 5500 dollars for Frozen Dark grey instead of just going with drevit grey.
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I don't doubt 10's, here's why. The stock RWD M4/3 run the 1/4 mile in 11.4-11.5s and BMW said it'll cut 0.5s off the time. We know they are generally conservative with numbers so right there we will be at 10.9-11 flat. I think realistically with good tires (Michelin) you will be able to do the same stock. The M3 is lighter and has more power, add in traction and it's a winning combo for sure.
It will definitely be interesting to see. Typically even with better traction, it will have more power loss due to awd and extra weight. Trust me I hope you are right.

I'm going to put my down payment for AWD M3C in about an hour and test drive the M4 they have on the lot. I'm still trying to decided if i can live without the carbon exterior package and if i want to pay 5500 dollars for Frozen Dark grey instead of just going with drevit grey.
BMW is great at making more power than claimed at the wheels. Look at any Dyno of the G80/82 and you'll see what I mean, for X Drive look at the X3/4M Comp. They aren't shy about putting down stupid numbers that make no sense until you see their times.

I personally order my M3C AAD fully loaded sans CCBs which I think are pointless. the CF exterior package is ~$13,500 if you price our each piece before installation. It's well worth getting from the factory
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for a hellcat to run 11.6-11.7 stock. Their 0-60 is 3.6-3.7 as well. We're talking the last 4-5MPH before it hits 130. Can't believe it would take the M3 an extra second for the last 4-5MPH after the 1/4. I just thought it was weird. I'm hoping with mods this will get the M3 down to low 5s 60-130 in the future.
4~5mph/sec sounds about right at 125mph for the G8X...
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Take this with a grain of salt. My first/only 60-130mph time. You can see the air is not the best, and the run is "not valid." But, I definitely think I replicate this run with good air and flatter ground; meaning make it valid.
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Take this with a grain of salt. My first/only 60-130mph time. You can see the air is not the best, and the run is "not valid." But, I definitely think I replicate this run with good air and flatter ground; meaning make it valid.
Here is a stock M4 roll racing with a lightly modded Hellcat.



M4 kept up and probably will walk the Hellcat with some light mods as well.
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Take this with a grain of salt. My first/only 60-130mph time. You can see the air is not the best, and the run is "not valid." But, I definitely think I replicate this run with good air and flatter ground; meaning make it valid.
Here is a stock M4 roll racing with a lightly modded Hellcat.



M4 kept up and probably will walk the Hellcat with some light mods as well.
Have a look at this with a little tweak of the ECU and Exhaust…
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It will definitely be interesting to see. Typically even with better traction, it will have more power loss due to awd and extra weight. Trust me I hope you are right.

I'm going to put my down payment for AWD M3C in about an hour and test drive the M4 they have on the lot. I'm still trying to decided if i can live without the carbon exterior package and if i want to pay 5500 dollars for Frozen Dark grey instead of just going with drevit grey.
I don’t think the stock M3/M4 AWD will break into the 10s. 11.0 maybe, but definitely low elevens.
I went with the CF exterior pack on my AWD M3 after going back and forth forever. I would regret it if I didn’t do it. I ended up spending like $1k on Carbon parts for my M340i, so I’ll just order the way I want it.
I don’t think the extra weight of the AWD will have any effect on a 1/4 mile race. That’s not enough distance.
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