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      05-31-2021, 12:14 PM   #23
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Such a great video. One of the best on the tires subject matter.
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I'd like to see a review of the OE* vs regular tire after 8000 miles have been put on the tires. I always wonder if the OE* are engineered to be really good for initial impressions and reviews.
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Is the Pilot Sport 4 S * tire for all M cars or just M3/4?

My M8 Competition came OE w/ non * Pilot Sport 4 S. Has Nov, 2020 build date.
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Pilot Super Sport * (oem) vs S4 after market (non oem)

My M550 came with Pilot Super Sport * (oem), the fronts did not wear well and considering replacing with non oem S4's since there is no * spec for the sizes I need (245/35x20 & 275/30x20). Now after seeing how much different tech went into the BMW * spec S4's I wonder if anyone can comment on any differences related to the oem and after market version of the Super Sports.
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Funny that some cars are coming with different tires eventhough bmw has done all this research.
Not funny to me, it's actually very frustrating for many of us. I'm still holding out hope that mine arrives with the Michelins.
I hear ya man but honestly, the star spec p zeros that came with my g82 have been exceptional. I had star spec PS4S on my f80. I wouldn't be surprised if the star spec p zeros are miles ahead of regular p zeros. No issues in the wet
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Funny that some cars are coming with different tires eventhough bmw has done all this research.
My X3MC came with Continental BMW star spec tires so it appears that development is also done with the alternative tires.
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Michelin's/Pilot Sport aren't the only tires BMW does development on in conjunction with their cars. Pirelli and Continental are also used. While each tire will be different, one is not necessarily lesser than the other. There are a few threads that touch on this where the Michelin's were not objectively the best tire. The forum(s) are to blame for the hype of Michelin's being the be all/end all when most buyers won't even realize the full potential of the tire.

The BMW M engineers rave about the Pirelli's, that's why I'm not upset when my X5M comp came with P zeros from the factory. My future G83, what ever the factory installs.

When we return our leased cars in the US, I have not be specifying BMW star tires from Costco when I replace my tires. Doubt that BMWFS will catch onto this as the end of lease genius will all have to be trained to look for the star tires at lease end.
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My M550 came with Pilot Super Sport * (oem), the fronts did not wear well and considering replacing with non oem S4's since there is no * spec for the sizes I need (245/35x20 & 275/30x20). Now after seeing how much different tech went into the BMW * spec S4's I wonder if anyone can comment on any differences related to the oem and after market version of the Super Sports.

Lucky for you, this test has the exact tyres that you consider.
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Interesting. When it came to getting replacements on Tirerack, I'd always spring for the cheaper PS4S variant having no idea what that BMW * spec meant. Might be worth shelling out the extra $25 for the * spec tire.

Might also be worth noting when shopping for a wider tire too. Could be worse than OE!
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I watched this video again. Props to BMW for working so closely with Michelin to produce such an advanced tire.
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Funny that some cars are coming with different tires eventhough bmw has done all this research.
Not funny to me, it's actually very frustrating for many of us. I'm still holding out hope that mine arrives with the Michelins.
I hear ya man but honestly, the star spec p zeros that came with my g82 have been exceptional. I had star spec PS4S on my f80. I wouldn't be surprised if the star spec p zeros are miles ahead of regular p zeros. No issues in the wet
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Funny that some cars are coming with different tires eventhough bmw has done all this research.
My X3MC came with Continental BMW star spec tires so it appears that development is also done with the alternative tires.
This.

Michelin's/Pilot Sport aren't the only tires BMW does development on in conjunction with their cars. Pirelli and Continental are also used. While each tire will be different, one is not necessarily lesser than the other. There are a few threads that touch on this where the Michelin's were not objectively the best tire. The forum(s) are to blame for the hype of Michelin's being the be all/end all when most buyers won't even realize the full potential of the tire.

The BMW M engineers rave about the Pirelli's, that's why I'm not upset when my X5M comp came with P zeros from the factory. My future G83, what ever the factory installs.

When we return our leased cars in the US, I have not be specifying BMW star tires from Costco when I replace my tires. Doubt that BMWFS will catch onto this as the end of lease genius will all have to be trained to look for the star tires at lease end.
They will. You aren't the first to swap in non Oe tires at the end of lease return.
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Great video. I’m just like everyone else that didn’t know but I wonder if Ppl that didn’t get the tire from factory would notice the difference on their everyday commute? Looks like you will on the track!
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What's more interesting is how much more he love Goodyear's similar offerings above Michelins. Though those were non star specs. Dude has loads of great content on his channel.
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What's more interesting is how much more he love Goodyear's similar offerings above Michelins. Though those were non star specs. Dude has loads of great content on his channel.
Speaking of Goodyear, that company's OE tire for the 911 is a topic for debate on Porsche forums. The N-Spec Goodyear or the N-Spec Pirelli are the two OE 911 tires, with people claiming the Goodyear pales in comparison. I'm hoping to get the Pirelli's myself, but I also have no experience with the Goodyear. Some say the OE spec Goodyear is impressive. Gahhhhh! So much confusion!
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mkoesel, this video was originally shared in the appropriate technical section a little while back:

https://g80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1828227
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I'll repost here what I had posted in the original thread:

First, it just shows how important it is putting the right spec tire on car, it can make a huge difference.

Second, it is interesting to see that BMW focused more on dry grip at the expense of wet grip for the G8X. They did the opposite with the F8X OE tires.

Third, WOW ~2 seconds difference per minute lap on the dry vs the already quite good standard PS4S . The standard PS4S was already confirmed as being over 1 second faster than the star spec PSS on the F8X. Just shows how much of the G8X performance gains is in the tires .

Fourth, I would have loved to try these star spec 19"/20" PS4S on my M4cs, but it will be gone before I have a chance to do so
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I'll repost here what I had posted in the original thread:

First, it just shows how important it is putting the right spec tire on car, it can make a huge difference.

Second, it is interesting to see that BMW focused more on dry grip at the expense of wet grip for the G8X. They did the opposite with the F8X OE tires.

Third, WOW ~2 seconds difference per minute lap on the dry vs the already quite good standard PS4S . The standard PS4S was already confirmed as being over 1 second faster than the star spec PSS on the F8X. Just shows how much of the G8X performance gains is in the tires .

Fourth, I would have loved to try these star spec 19"/20" PS4S on my M4cs, but it will be gone before I have a chance to do so
….and your opinion of the Goodyear vs. Pirelli tire debate with regards to the 992?
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….and your opinion of the Goodyear vs. Pirelli tire debate with regards to the 992?
I would prefer the Goodyear
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Funny that some cars are coming with different tires eventhough bmw has done all this research.
Not funny to me, it's actually very frustrating for many of us. I'm still holding out hope that mine arrives with the Michelins.
I hear ya man but honestly, the star spec p zeros that came with my g82 have been exceptional. I had star spec PS4S on my f80. I wouldn't be surprised if the star spec p zeros are miles ahead of regular p zeros. No issues in the wet
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Funny that some cars are coming with different tires eventhough bmw has done all this research.
My X3MC came with Continental BMW star spec tires so it appears that development is also done with the alternative tires.
This.

Michelin's/Pilot Sport aren't the only tires BMW does development on in conjunction with their cars. Pirelli and Continental are also used. While each tire will be different, one is not necessarily lesser than the other. There are a few threads that touch on this where the Michelin's were not objectively the best tire. The forum(s) are to blame for the hype of Michelin's being the be all/end all when most buyers won't even realize the full potential of the tire.

The BMW M engineers rave about the Pirelli's, that's why I'm not upset when my X5M comp came with P zeros from the factory. My future G83, what ever the factory installs.

When we return our leased cars in the US, I have not be specifying BMW star tires from Costco when I replace my tires. Doubt that BMWFS will catch onto this as the end of lease genius will all have to be trained to look for the star tires at lease end.
They will. You aren't the first to swap in non Oe tires at the end of lease return.
Have yet to be charged by BMWFS, as I turned in 2 M's within the past 9 months. Replaced all the tires from Costco with Michelin Super Sports which came from the factory. How does BMWFS know what tires on the car if there are multiple factory options?
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Funny that some cars are coming with different tires eventhough bmw has done all this research.
Not funny to me, it's actually very frustrating for many of us. I'm still holding out hope that mine arrives with the Michelins.
I hear ya man but honestly, the star spec p zeros that came with my g82 have been exceptional. I had star spec PS4S on my f80. I wouldn't be surprised if the star spec p zeros are miles ahead of regular p zeros. No issues in the wet
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Funny that some cars are coming with different tires eventhough bmw has done all this research.
My X3MC came with Continental BMW star spec tires so it appears that development is also done with the alternative tires.
This.

Michelin's/Pilot Sport aren't the only tires BMW does development on in conjunction with their cars. Pirelli and Continental are also used. While each tire will be different, one is not necessarily lesser than the other. There are a few threads that touch on this where the Michelin's were not objectively the best tire. The forum(s) are to blame for the hype of Michelin's being the be all/end all when most buyers won't even realize the full potential of the tire.

The BMW M engineers rave about the Pirelli's, that's why I'm not upset when my X5M comp came with P zeros from the factory. My future G83, what ever the factory installs.

When we return our leased cars in the US, I have not be specifying BMW star tires from Costco when I replace my tires. Doubt that BMWFS will catch onto this as the end of lease genius will all have to be trained to look for the star tires at lease end.
They will. You aren't the first to swap in non Oe tires at the end of lease return.
Have yet to be charged by BMWFS, as I turned in 2 M's within the past 9 months. Replaced all the tires from Costco with Michelin Super Sports which came from the factory. How does BMWFS know what tires on the car if there are multiple factory options?
I guess it comes down to the eagle eyes at the dealership upon return, they inspect the car, they will either see it or not.
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Funny that some cars are coming with different tires eventhough bmw has done all this research.
Not funny to me, it's actually very frustrating for many of us. I'm still holding out hope that mine arrives with the Michelins.
I hear ya man but honestly, the star spec p zeros that came with my g82 have been exceptional. I had star spec PS4S on my f80. I wouldn't be surprised if the star spec p zeros are miles ahead of regular p zeros. No issues in the wet
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Funny that some cars are coming with different tires eventhough bmw has done all this research.
My X3MC came with Continental BMW star spec tires so it appears that development is also done with the alternative tires.
This.

Michelin's/Pilot Sport aren't the only tires BMW does development on in conjunction with their cars. Pirelli and Continental are also used. While each tire will be different, one is not necessarily lesser than the other. There are a few threads that touch on this where the Michelin's were not objectively the best tire. The forum(s) are to blame for the hype of Michelin's being the be all/end all when most buyers won't even realize the full potential of the tire.

The BMW M engineers rave about the Pirelli's, that's why I'm not upset when my X5M comp came with P zeros from the factory. My future G83, what ever the factory installs.

When we return our leased cars in the US, I have not be specifying BMW star tires from Costco when I replace my tires. Doubt that BMWFS will catch onto this as the end of lease genius will all have to be trained to look for the star tires at lease end.
They will. You aren't the first to swap in non Oe tires at the end of lease return.
Have yet to be charged by BMWFS, as I turned in 2 M's within the past 9 months. Replaced all the tires from Costco with Michelin Super Sports which came from the factory. How does BMWFS know what tires on the car if there are multiple factory options?
In my experience they are checking for tread depth as opposed to exact tire brand.
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Have yet to be charged by BMWFS, as I turned in 2 M's within the past 9 months. Replaced all the tires from Costco with Michelin Super Sports which came from the factory. How does BMWFS know what tires on the car if there are multiple factory options?
They only check min tread depth (across all tires, throughout the whole width) and if it has the star, the specific brand doesn't matter.

That's one of the things they usually will cash in on, so they will typically catch it - but there is always a possibility you get lucky, I suppose
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You should be able to use m340i tires for the front and G80 for the rear. That's likely what I'll go with.
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