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C&D's review was on an xDrive car, it looks like the review was taken down, but comments show they were talking 3.8s with a 1 ft rollout so add in 0.3 to compensate and you're at 4.1. Regardless, wait for the AWD/m-xDrive versions come out for a meaningless 0-60 comparison that's more fair, traction is a huge part of any 0-60 figure. Also, once you're talking mid-threes and lower, don't expect huge gaps, a tenth of a second is huge down there. So if you're saying an M440i xDrive realistically did 3.5 somewhere, I'd expect you'll see the M4 M-xDrive to do it in maybe 3.2, which would be a fairly gigantic difference.
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Yeah, of course. But still, shouldn't be a contest.
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Look at the 60-130mph times, and it won't be a contest .
Truth be told, the RWD M3/4C will most likely also be quicker in the 60-130mph than the M3/4 MxDrive .
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Always more important to show highway dominance than stop light dominance, at least for those less concerned with cornering and braking.
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I'd say all of the above . Track driving is a very important factor for me, since my car is also my hobby. So "60-130mph" acceleration, cornering and braking is what really matters to me . I could not care less about 0-60mph.
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I am definitely going with the new M3. Going with a color not offered on the 3 or 4 series, and gonna love it and enjoy the uniqueness while I can! Anyway, the thread says "Why is BMW M going in a new direction?".
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I don't understand this complaint at all. The M branding on the M340i is no different than the AMG branding on the C 43 AMG. I would even argue that this is even less ambiguous than AMG's branding since it is still quite clear in BMW's case that the M340i is not an M3. As for performance, there is way more to performance than just HP and torque. A M5 is still vastly different than an M550i regardless of their power figures. |
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That being said, there's also a cognitive dissonance here between people complaining that the M-performance models have too close 0-60 times/performance to the real M model, and people complaining that the M-performance model has been given the holy letter M that it shouldn't deserve...
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You...The enthusiast customer demanded more individuality to your choice of M car.
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Nope, that's where you got it wrong. It's the hipster crowd that wants more "individuality". The driving enthusiast, want just that: driving enthusiasm. Clearly, as proven by the launch ads, the new M3/4 are aimed at the former. However, I would have gladly taken "individuality" over the competition in the form technical differentiation like DCT and light weight for example.
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The g80 is junk ... not a real M. Elephant size with floating brake calipers and the same drivetrain as x3m-bs!! Huge wheels, nasty design, overweight and that's what bmw puts out as their M offering. I can imagine what steering is going to feel like ... or not. How can you track it with bs rear floater? Yeah gl with that!!
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the car in stock form will not last a few laps. They took motorport engineering out of it ... all over except engine and maybe chassis (we will find out soon). Anybody that has spent a few days on track knows this. E9x M3 had horrid brakes and I mean garbage. I thought F8x set the baseline and they would take it to the next level on g8x. Take a look at M2c brakes. |
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And EVs don't even need grilles
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If BMW is really concerned with the BMW enthusiast, they would make the car smaller, lighter, etc. CanAutM3 mentioned DCT; of the Manual, instead of throwing the enthusiasts a bone by putting a Manual in the cheapest version (only) of the G8x, why not do so in the Competition version and use more lighter materials to make the overall car lighter and more nimble? It would certainly draw more enthusiast attention then "individuality." |
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