[iviegatron]

Need advice on wheel spacers.

I have never used wheel spacers on any of my cars, this will be the first time.  My car is not lowered yet, but will be in the future, so whatever I buy I want it to be compatible when the vehicle is lowered. Looks like the 15mm front and 12mm rear setup seems to be the most popular option. I currently have the p-zero tires so I want the setup to be flush, no poke. Once these tires are worn out, I will be switching to Michelin PS4S. Basically whichever set of spacers I buy, I just want to buy them once and call it day.

With that being said is there a particular set of spacers which you guys would recommend? I'm not too familiar with all the brands. If bolts/lug nuts are sold separately, please recommend the size as well.

Is 15/12mm still the recommended setup? I've read there have been some fitment issues with going 15 on the front, if this is still a concern would it make sense to go 12mm all around?

[KnightedBMW]

My car is going in on Monday for spring/spacer install. I have p zeros as well. I went with 12/10 MS spacers. From what I've read, there still will be some minor rub in full lock reverse. May need to cut a few fins inside the wheel well to avoid.

[B58SP]

Anyone tried off brand spacers? It's a pretty simple product. I bought ebay spacers for my M240i for like half the price as BMS etc and ran them 3 years with 0 issues.

[tom @ eas]

Originally Posted by iviegatron

Need advice on wheel spacers.

I have never used wheel spacers on any of my cars, this will be the first time. My car is not lowered yet, but will be in the future, so whatever I buy I want it to be compatible when the vehicle is lowered. Looks like the 15mm front and 12mm rear setup seems to be the most popular option. I currently have the p-zero tires so I want the setup to be flush, no poke. Once these tires are worn out, I will be switching to Michelin PS4S. Basically whichever set of spacers I buy, I just want to buy them once and call it day.

With that being said is there a particular set of spacers which you guys would recommend? I'm not too familiar with all the brands. If bolts/lug nuts are sold separately, please recommend the size as well.

Is 15/12mm still the recommended setup? I've read there have been some fitment issues with going 15 on the front, if this is still a concern would it make sense to go 12mm all around?

The 15/12 combo is a bit aggressive as the Pirellis run a tad bid wider than the Michelins.

I would recommend stepping down to the 10/12 combo unless you are prepared to do some trimming on the fender liners. The rear wheels sit inward a bit more than the fronts, which is why the staggered combo is recommended - which would be much more noticeable with the fender lips bring closer to the tires after lowering.

[iviegatron]

Originally Posted by KnightedBMW

My car is going in on Monday for spring/spacer install. I have p zeros as well. I went with 12/10 MS spacers. From what I've read, there still will be some minor rub in full lock reverse. May need to cut a few fins inside the wheel well to avoid.

Is that 12 in the front and 10 in rears? Does MS stand for Macht Schnell spacers?

Originally Posted by tom @ eas

The 15/12 combo is a bit aggressive as the Pirellis run a tad bid wider than the Michelins.

I would recommend stepping down to the 10/12 combo unless you are prepared to do some trimming on the fender liners. The rear wheels sit inward a bit more than the fronts, which is why the staggered combo is recommended - which would be much more noticeable with the fender lips bring closer to the tires after lowering.

10 in that front and 12 rear? Would the 10/12 look off once I switch to Michelins?

[tom @ eas]

Originally Posted by iviegatron

Is that 12 in the front and 10 in rears? Does MS stand for Macht Schnell spacers?

12mm Rear, 10mm Front. MS = Macht Schnell

Originally Posted by iviegatron

10 in that front and 12 rear? Would the 10/12 look off once I switch to Michelins?

Slightly, but you can keep the 12mm set you have and swap the 10mm for 15mm if you change from Pirelli to Michelin

[Vic55]

Let me paint you a picture

Lowered on MSS with 15mm spacers square- PZeros. Pirelli runs a more stout sidewall which causes front fin rubbing in reverse after you rotate the steering wheel backing up. It causes no material damage though and you can easily shave the section its rubbing with no problem.





Now here are the same 15mm spacers on my X drive (doesnt matter) but I have PS4's and no rubbing under any circumstances- I can even run 18mm up front if I choose.

[iviegatron]

Originally Posted by Vic55

Let me paint you a picture

Lowered on MSS with 15mm spacers square- PZeros. Pirelli runs a more stout sidewall which causes front fin rubbing in reverse after you rotate the steering wheel backing up. It causes no material damage though and you can easily shave the section its rubbing with no problem- I can even run 18mm up front if I choose.

Now here are the same 15mm spacers on my X drive (doesnt matter) but I have PS4's and no rubbing under any circumstances:

Both your cars look amazing. I really like the stance. Any rubbing when going over bumps with MSS and 15mm spacers?

What brand spacers are you using?

As Tom suggested I might go with 10mm in the front and switch to 15mm when I go with Michelin, I hate the idea of shaving anything on the car despite how minor it is.

[Vic55]

Originally Posted by iviegatron

Both your cars look amazing. I really like the stance. Any rubbing when going over bumps with MSS and 15mm spacers?

What brand spacers are you using?

As Tom suggested I might go with 10mm in the front and switch to 15mm when I go with Michelin, I hate the idea of shaving anything on the car despite how minor it is.

Im using H&R--- they are on my M8 and R8 as well. Any reputable brand will work though. I have no skin here so Ill just tell what I use.

No rubbing of any sort from a drive standpoint or reverse with the PS4's. When I had the PZeros the only audible issue was the half steering wheel reverse crank. I knew that there was no damage but I did see peoples' faces cringe when I was leaving a public place at times LOL. Im telling, you will never know what was shaven unlike a beard on a face hahahah. Alternatively you could use a heat gun and push the lame ass fins forward as that will work too. But over time the memory of the plastic could prevail.

[iviegatron]

Originally Posted by Vic55

Im using H&R--- they are on my M8 and R8 as well. Any reputable brand will work though. I have no skin here so Ill just tell what I use.

No rubbing of any sort from a drive standpoint or reverse with the PS4's. When I had the PZeros the only audible issue was the half steering wheel reverse crank. I knew that there was no damage but I did see peoples' faces cringe when I was leaving a public place at times LOL. Im telling, you will never know what was shaven unlike a beard on a face hahahah. Alternatively you could use a heat gun and push the lame ass fins forward as that will work too. But over time the memory of the plastic could prevail.

Wish my car came with Michelins. Wouldn't be going through this delimma right now lol. I do like the 15mm in the front, your car shows it off really well. I may have to use the heat gun trick.

[Vic55]

Originally Posted by iviegatron

Wish my car came with Michelins. Wouldn't be going through this delimma right now lol. I do like the 15mm in the front, your car shows it off really well. I may have to use the heat gun trick.

You will never ever see the part that is trimmed if you go 15mm and have Pirellis....

[KnightedBMW]

Originally Posted by tom @ eas

12mm Rear, 10mm Front. MS = Macht Schnell



Slightly, but you can keep the 12mm set you have and swap the 10mm for 15mm if you change from Pirelli to Michelin

tom @ eas I plan on doing 12 front, 10 rear. I understand some slight rub but willing to work on the fins. Any issue here?

[tom @ eas]

Originally Posted by KnightedBMW

tom @ eas I plan on doing 12 front, 10 rear. I understand some slight rub but willing to work on the fins. Any issue here?

Typically, you'd want 12mm rear and 10mm front as the rear is tucked a bit more than the fronts. No rubbing with this setup.

[KnightedBMW]

Originally Posted by tom @ eas

Typically, you'd want 12mm rear and 10mm front as the rear is tucked a bit more than the fronts. No rubbing with this setup.

Got it. Thanks.

[Mraceguy]

Originally Posted by tom @ eas

Typically, you'd want 12mm rear and 10mm front as the rear is tucked a bit more than the fronts. No rubbing with this setup.

If that's the case then what is prompting people to go 15mm front and 12mm rear? By what you said I would think 15s should go in the rear and 12s in the front.

[M3LISSA]

Originally Posted by iviegatron

Need advice on wheel spacers.

I have never used wheel spacers on any of my cars, this will be the first time.  My car is not lowered yet, but will be in the future, so whatever I buy I want it to be compatible when the vehicle is lowered. Looks like the 15mm front and 12mm rear setup seems to be the most popular option. I currently have the p-zero tires so I want the setup to be flush, no poke. Once these tires are worn out, I will be switching to Michelin PS4S. Basically whichever set of spacers I buy, I just want to buy them once and call it day.

With that being said is there a particular set of spacers which you guys would recommend? I'm not too familiar with all the brands. If bolts/lug nuts are sold separately, please recommend the size as well.

Is 15/12mm still the recommended setup? I've read there have been some fitment issues with going 15 on the front, if this is still a concern would it make sense to go 12mm all around?

I have 12mm all around. No issues and I'm lowered on KW. I could prob have done 15 possibly on the rear but I can't ever put a person with me In my car, I think I'd rub…

[tom @ eas]

Originally Posted by Mraceguy

If that's the case then what is prompting people to go 15mm front and 12mm rear? By what you said I would think 15s should go in the rear and 12s in the front.

Those with Michelins can go 12mm up front and 15mm in rear, the Pirellis have to step down a size (recommend 10F/12R) as they will rub the liner with that aggressive of a spacer up front - unless you're prepared to do some trimming on the fins.

A bunch of variables will also come into play, such as ride height, road conditions, people in the backseat or not, driving habits, etc. so there's isn't a one-size-fits-all for everyone. But you're always welcome to contact us directly us so we can steer you in the right direction.

[Likeanowl]

Does anyone have wheel bearing concerns with spacers? Even just a few mm is putting extra stress on the whole wheel hub assembly.

[Soylent]

I am lowered on MSS with Michelin tires and run 15 square with no rubbing (no Ben mod up front). I couldn't imagine running less than 15 in the rear. Would look too tucked imo. G82.

[tom @ eas]

Originally Posted by Likeanowl

Does anyone have wheel bearing concerns with spacers? Even just a few mm is putting extra stress on the whole wheel hub assembly.

Not an issue with the minimal sizes we're running.

[AlfonsM]

Searched the forum and there is a lot of threads around spacers but most is about looks and tire rubb or not. Hope it is OK to cut in in this particular thread🤓

I am considering putting 11 mm H&R spacers around on my G80. I will not lower it. I get that the looks will improve, which is 👍 But I am also driving active and also sometimes fast in Germany. How will the car feel in corners and in higher speed 200 km/h+? I like how the car is handling original.

Will parts be more worn, ball bearings etc?

I had a 996 Turbo with spacers on many years ago, I dont know how many mm. And that car felt unstable in higher speeds, like floating around a little bit, losing the tight connection from stearingwheel to road.

Any experiences around car performance with spacers?

[mephism]

Originally Posted by AlfonsM

Searched the forum and there is a lot of threads around spacers but most is about looks and tire rubb or not. Hope it is OK to cut in in this particular thread🤓

I am considering putting 11 mm H&R spacers around on my G80. I will not lower it. I get that the looks will improve, which is 👍 But I am also driving active and also sometimes fast in Germany. How will the car feel in corners and in higher speed 200 km/h+? I like how the car is handling original.

Will parts be more worn, ball bearings etc?

I had a 996 Turbo with spacers on many years ago, I dont know how many mm. And that car felt unstable in higher speeds, like floating around a little bit, losing the tight connection from stearingwheel to road.

Any experiences around car performance with spacers?

Personally, after running 15 in the front and moving back to stock for service, I notice a huge difference that results in changes to Ackermann angle (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ackermann_steering_geometry). Overall the car feels less agile when the front track is widened and the scrub radius makes the car feel larger. The rear, on the other hand, feels the same either way, due to not changing its slip angle. The floaty feel will generally only affect the front end without rear wheel steering. I hate the fact that it looks so much better when spaced though.