[femtoevo]

Originally Posted by moproblems

I'm going to guess they are going to follow through on their promise by continually updating the product thru OTA software updates. I'm interested to see if 21-07 has already patched it, as on G20 there is an ecu software recall plainly stated in the changelog.

Car with 21-07 SW is successfully reflashed 4 days ago.

[whatnotsomuchf80]

Originally Posted by femtoevo

We can't answer your question briefly, especially here.
But there's quite of people already tuning their cars and happy with our services. They just don't post it on the forums.
BTW, we are quite surprised with "I'm not going to..." style of replies most of the times here on the forums.

I appreciate that, I really do. And I'm not knocking you guys in any way as I'm stoked that you got the DMEs to unlock. But licensing your unlock process to all tuners or even just one big one like BM3, before someone else does it, would give you guys a much bigger pool of customers to land grab immediately. You guys could be sitting in royalties for years with this.

[mike@x-ph.com]

[techwhiz1]

Originally Posted by Limegrntaln

I start to wonder what the future has in store for tunes. With the ability to over the air update cars, BMW could just OTA brick ECUs that have been modified and the EPA would back them up. California has already started to check for tuning software on smog checks.

They might be able to read the status if you have allowed them to snoop. That would possibly allow them to void the warranty, but only if they prove that the mod caused a failure (at least here in the USA).

They could push a stock update that overwrites the tune.

They cannot "brick" your car. It's not theirs to brick.

[adc]

Originally Posted by BIGW0RM

BM3 was such a great experience back when I had a F80 M3. This is great news for the manual guys. Now they will be able to slap the Comp package tune on theirs no problem. And it be a factory like tune. Heck yea!

But why stop there?

[kbanga]

Originally Posted by Limegrntaln

I start to wonder what the future has in store for tunes. With the ability to over the air update cars, BMW could just OTA brick ECUs that have been modified and the EPA would back them up. California has already started to check for tuning software on smog checks.

If they want to get bombarded with lawsuits, they'll do that.

Just because they built the car doesn't mean they get to control & punish customers because of what we do to it after paying money to purchase it.

[Limegrntaln]

Originally Posted by akkando

Bricking them is a safety issues #1. Not to mention you own the car and have a reasonable expectation that it doesn't stop working when the manufacturer doesn't in their opinion like what you've done to it.

I mean if it was a phone and you modified your phone software can the manufacturer brick your phone whenever they please over the air because they don't like modified phones? Now you can't call 911 as punishment? That wouldn't hold up.

Yeah, maybe not necessarily bricking, but over writing the tunes, with stock software, and modifying your phone, wouldnt affect the EPA laws. Im just saying with how powerful the government is, with enforcing EPA rules, I wouldnt put it past them to let BMW do what they want.

Originally Posted by techwhiz1

They might be able to read the status if you have allowed them to snoop. That would possibly allow them to void the warranty, but only if they prove that the mod caused a failure (at least here in the USA).

They could push a stock update that overwrites the tune.

They cannot "brick" your car. It's not theirs to brick.

Lets say its overwrites the tune with an OTA update, that would be just as frustrating. Especially when modded. Your car is tuned for the mods, and unknowingly flashing a stock tune, it would take you a drive around the block to even realize what happened.

Originally Posted by kbanga

If they want to get bombarded with lawsuits, they'll do that.

Just because they built the car doesn't mean they get to control & punish customers because of what we do to it after paying money to purchase it.

I agree, 100%. I think we've all learned the power of the Government, with this pandemic. They've succeeded to just about shut down the entire country, for a year. HIPPA is pretty much out the window, if it pertains to asking you about COVID. My employer, asks me weekly what my plans are for the vaccine.

[mwh2009]

Would this unlock capability apply to the recent 'untunable' 2021 F87 M2 Competitions, as well?

[backslashv]

Can someone ELI5 what this achieves?

[mattssi]

Originally Posted by Limegrntaln

Yeah, maybe not necessarily bricking, but over writing the tunes, with stock software, and modifying your phone, wouldnt affect the EPA laws. Im just saying with how powerful the government is, with enforcing EPA rules, I wouldnt put it past them to let BMW do what they want.

Lets say its overwrites the tune with an OTA update, that would be just as frustrating. Especially when modded. Your car is tuned for the mods, and unknowingly flashing a stock tune, it would take you a drive around the block to even realize what happened.




I agree, 100%. I think we've all learned the power of the Government, with this pandemic. They've succeeded to just about shut down the entire country, for a year. HIPPA is pretty much out the window, if it pertains to asking you about COVID. My employer, asks me weekly what my plans are for the vaccine.

Could have been for like 2 weeks, but "freedom". But that's for the off-topic forums

[BMthusiast]

My guess is it'll have the same mod options as in the F97/F98. Along with Competition, Stage 1, Stage 2 tunes available, and eventually a CS tune.

[LongBeachDinanFan]

Originally Posted by femtoevo

We can't answer your question briefly, especially here.
But there's quite of people already tuning their cars and happy with our services. They just don't post it on the forums.
BTW, we are quite surprised with "I'm not going to..." style of replies most of the times here on the forums.

Agreed, the forum is to discuss what mods you want to buy, not whine about things you don't have the balls to do.

Is there any chance once unlocked the ECU updates the car does itself could over write the flash or break the unlock?

[moproblems]

Originally Posted by femtoevo

Car with 21-07 SW is successfully reflashed 4 days ago.

[akkando]

Originally Posted by kbanga

If they want to get bombarded with lawsuits, they'll do that.

Just because they built the car doesn't mean they get to control & punish customers because of what we do to it after paying money to purchase it.

If they got crazy they could send OTA updates after the warranty is up to make the car drive like shit and become unreliable to influence people to buy new cars.

[hellokitty]

Originally Posted by backslashv

Can someone ELI5 what this achieves?

You need to be able to unlock your DME in order to flash a tune. This accomplishes that.

If the DME cannot be unlocked, then the only way is to tune is to hook up a piggy back box to the car to adjust DME parameters to make more power.

Flashing a tune is the "safer" way to tune a vehicle. With a flash tune, the DME can monitor and protect the engine in the event of an engine hardware failure since there is no tricky going on with a piggy back modifying signals going into the DME. Piggy backs have their own fail safes built in, but having the DME doing it is the preferred approach.

This is just the alpha stage. Successfully unlocking is just step 1 out of 1000. OBD unlock, defining the tuning tables, adding functionality to the DME that wasn't previously there, etc. would likely take years of development to fine tune and get right for the masses.

[robbo mcs]

Originally Posted by kbanga

For those of us out of the loop, why did BMW want to limit tuning capabilities so badly?

It is not just about tuning. It is also about legal liability for emissions, safety features etc.

[EndBosS]

Originally Posted by whatnotsomuchf80

Why not just license ur unlock to Pro Tuning Freaks? You'd make an insane amt of money from the rush of ppl waiting for BM3 tunes

3 mayor problems :

1) they give away the backdoor to someone they can't trust (in tuning you can't trust anyone)
2) following out of 1) they give away the backdoor to Bosch/BMW
3) you are on the radar of BOSCH/BMW, and that is even worse


I know 1 other company that has the same issue as FEMTO.

Originally Posted by whatnotsomuchf80

I appreciate that, I really do. And I'm not knocking you guys in any way as I'm stoked that you got the DMEs to unlock. But licensing your unlock process to all tuners or even just one big one like BM3, before someone else does it, would give you guys a much bigger pool of customers to land grab immediately. You guys could be sitting in royalties for years with this.

[TexasEd]

Originally Posted by LongBeachDinanFan

Agreed, the forum is to discuss what mods you want to buy, not whine about things you don't have the balls to do.

Is there any chance once unlocked the ECU updates the car does itself could over write the flash or break the unlock?

I owned a 2020 M8 Coupe that I had purchased used. I drove down to Houston to have the car tuned by DME Company in Houston. The car ran great. I did not have the car long before I kept receiving OTA update requests. I ignored them for quite some time but one day decided to go with the updates not realizing the impact of that update. The update erased my tune and the car threw a CEL because of my catless downpipes. I felt pretty dumb. The tuning company offered to retune my car at no cost but I was close to selling it anyway. But lesson learned. Previous to this incident I had never received OTA update requests on any cars I have owned; this must be something relatively new?

[bm5bullit]

I had a BM3 tune on my F90 M5 and the work done by them blew me away. The ability to use 98% of the power safely was a big thing for me. It sounded bone stock at idle but provided an awesome amount of power that was progressive but like a tidal wave. Nuts. Can't wait.

[TexasEd]

Originally Posted by bm5bullit

I had a BM3 tune on my F90 M5 and the work done by them blew me away. The ability to use 98% of the power safely was a big thing for me. It sounded bone stock at idle but provided an awesome amount of power that was progressive but like a tidal wave. Nuts. Can't wait.

I had a 2016 M4 which I installed the BM3. It ran great and was easy to use and install. Very convenient tune and installed while sitting in the car parked in my garage. Would love to have it on my upcoming M4 Competition xDrive (in production).

[ssgm1x]

Originally Posted by femtoevo

OBD unlock is at the beta testing stage (for ex. one famous red M4 comp at insta).
All DMEs that were sent to us 1 week ago to date are ready for this unlock and you don't need to send them again after the unlock will be fully released.

Does this also include the G20 M340i DME ?

[M0J0]

This is some real exciting news!