[Vic55]

As the title states, looking for tangible and even intangibles about the new GTS. I currently have the 991.2 GTS in a Cab format but its really more of a 991.2 S PLUS with the way it was formulated and adjusted off the S platform. I have the opportunity to obtain one but its in GT Silver which is not my color of choice up front.

I know this is a BMW forum but there is so much traction here and its full of some great dual owners like myself of 911's and M's that I felt why not ask here as you might know a bit more about the car than I do.

Ive watched quite a few reviews on the Tube and some call the new GTS a Turbo Minus but others say its just a great blend of 992 CS luxury with some GT3 Race bits and Turbo parts. Its like its own car but sadly I have not been able to drive one yet as the inventory is light to none so far.

Finally my good Porsche dealer friends said their GTS cars are all but sold out on pre order and they are asking 30k over as they are foreseeing further production issues with the car over parts and other macroeconomic issues. Money is relative but I still dont like to just shoot the wad so to speak to just get a car. I know some tests have shown its quite formidable (C&D of course being the best with their favorable process) but do you think this car is that perfect blend of 992 C2S with the Turbo and GT3 slightly sprinkled in?

[Gfit]

This came out in MT today. They couldn't say enough good things about it:

https://www.motortrend.com/news/2022...view/?aps=XXXX

They could not believe how good it is.

[Vic55]

Originally Posted by Gfit

This came out in MT today. They couldn't say enough good things about it:

https://www.motortrend.com/news/2022...view/?aps=XXXX

They could not believe how good it is.

Thanks, I had not seen this yet

[Skyfall888]

I actually thought about that car for a bit end of last year. Eventually I asked myself if its going to be a daily(automatic), or fun car(manual). If it is going to be a fun car, (for similar price range), I cant find a reason not to go with a 718 gt4. As for a daily, with all those traffic and road conditions, I personally dont think its worth spending 30k-50k more on a gts than a c or cs. Just my 2cent xd

[BIGW0RM]

I disliked both of my 992 911 S experiences. The price of admission for what I got OVER my 991.2 GTS was not worth it to me. The infotainment sucks and is cumbersome to navigate. The newest version of infotainment on 22's and up is stripped down from what I've heard too. You cant see the gauges. The black glass interior. Meh. I wish I had keep my 991.2 GTS. That was much more "911" to me. I would keep that GTS if I were you! Slap a M engineering tune on it and keep that sucker!

[Skyfall888]

Originally Posted by BIGW0RM

I disliked both of my 992 911 S experiences. The price of admission for what I got OVER my 991.2 GTS was not worth it to me. The infotainment sucks and is cumbersome to navigate. The newest version of infotainment on 22's and up is stripped down from what I've heard too. You cant see the gauges. The black glass interior. Meh. I wish I had keep my 991.2 GTS. That was much more "911" to me. I would keep that GTS if I were you! Slap a M engineering tune on it and keep that sucker!

Good point on the gauges, out of all 5 gauges I can only see the middle 3. Whatever I do with adjusting seating position and steering wheel position, I cant see the range, gas, time etc on the right most gauge

And I actually dont like the central console like I imagined I would. Two strips of blank glossy black around the lever does nothing apart from collecting my finger prints. Not sure about yours but mine does not do full-screen apply carplay which I really dont like

[Vic55]

Originally Posted by BIGW0RM

I disliked both of my 992 911 S experiences. The price of admission for what I got OVER my 991.2 GTS was not worth it to me. The infotainment sucks and is cumbersome to navigate. The newest version of infotainment on 22's and up is stripped down from what I've heard too. You cant see the gauges. The black glass interior. Meh. I wish I had keep my 991.2 GTS. That was much more "911" to me. I would keep that GTS if I were you! Slap a M engineering tune on it and keep that sucker!

Thanks BW--- I still need to see how it actually drives too; thats where most, if not all, reviews have been favorable from the brits to the yanks.

But again those are just reviews and not what I might feel.

Its nice to have choices

[ROBERT1183]

A few of the guys in my club have some. They seem to love them. Cant really go wrong with a Porsche. Id definitely take a targa.

[BIGW0RM]

Originally Posted by Vic55

Thanks BW--- I still need to see how it actually drives too; thats where most, if not all, reviews have been favorable from the brits to the yanks.

But again those are just reviews and not what I might feel.

Its nice to have choices

Well, nothing drives better than a 911 if you ask me. But its crazy how different each 911 model feels! While I have never driven a 992 GTS. I have driven a 991.2 S, 991.2 GTS, 992 base and 992 S. Honestly, the 991.2 S was probably my favorite one out of them all. The GTS was my "I had to have it" 911. It was much faster than my 991.2 S, but only in the mid to top end. Anyways, both my 991.2 GTS and 992 S had RWS. And while the 992 felt more planted/ secure. The 991.2 felt much more connected to the road feeling wise if that makes sense.

I guess you'll just have to take a drive in one someday and see if its for you. Not that you need any dealer referrals, but I like dealing with Long Beach. They sold my neighbor his base 911 at MSRP. But he ordered end of last summer.

[Vic55]

Originally Posted by BIGW0RM

Well, nothing drives better than a 911 if you ask me. But its crazy how different each 911 model feels! While I have never driven a 992 GTS. I have driven a 991.2 S, 991.2 GTS, 992 base and 992 S. Honestly, the 991.2 S was probably my favorite one out of them all. The GTS was my "I had to have it" 911. It was much faster than my 991.2 S, but only in the mid to top end. Anyways, both my 991.2 GTS and 992 S had RWS. And while the 992 felt more planted/ secure. The 991.2 felt much more connected to the road feeling wise if that makes sense.

I guess you'll just have to take a drive in one someday and see if its for you. Not that you need any dealer referrals, but I like dealing with Long Beach. They sold my neighbor his base 911 at MSRP. But he ordered end of last summer.

100 percent concur with the driveablity having had 5 Turbo's or Turbo S's along with a C4S, GT3, and a GTS now...

I loved the screaming GT3 and even the C4S which was a 991.1 variant so it was N/A... neither as fast as the Turbos but far less muted. I had to mod the exhausts on every single Turbo for that reason

[BIGW0RM]

Originally Posted by Vic55

100 percent concur with the driveablity having had 5 Turbo's or Turbo S's along with a C4S, GT3, and a GTS now...

I loved the screaming GT3 and even the C4S which was a 991.1 variant so it was N/A... neither as fast as the Turbos but far less muted. I had to mod the exhausts on every single Turbo for that reason

Id love a ride once you get one.

[AhsanU]

I can't really speak for the 992 GTS since I haven't driven it. However, historically the GTS has usually been a beefed up C2S; so I can surmise how it drives based on history and decent time behind a C2S and a Turbo 992. This is also under the impression that you do not have much time behind a modern GT3, Vic.

Don't bother - just get a GT3. Depending on how much comfort you're looking for, since you're looking at a GTS, you can get a 991.2 or a 997.1. Or if you don't care about PDK vs. 6MT, the 991.1 GT3 was amazing with finger follower issues that were blown way out of proportion; it was reliable as hell.

The 992 is great, it really is - but after 35k+ miles in a 991.1 GT3, and a few spirited drives behind a manual 991.2 GT3, I can't ever justify spending that kind of money and getting a 911 that isn't a GT3. The sound, feel, gearbox (both PDK and 6MT) are on another level vs. their more pedestrian C2S, GTS, and yes, even the Turbo S, siblings. There's a rawness to the GT3 that cannot be matched. Yes, the GTS will likely be a more comfortable cruiser to putter about in town, but the previous gen GT3 isn't bad in the slightest. Mine had the normal seats (sofas as they're referred to on rennlist ) and I easily put well over 35k miles on mine in my ownership period.

While you may be hoping for some sprinkling of GT3 magic in the GTS, I doubt you'll get it outside of the feeling of acceleration maybe.. that's it. The Turbo S/GTS has face melting straight line performance, but so does a Tesla - it gets boring. There's an aural, raw, smile from ear-to-ear experience in the GT3 that no other 911 can provide because of the feedback from the steering wheel, the large unabashed wing out back, and an engine that roars to 9k RPM. This is on top of the feeling of specialness too. If anything, the base 911 is absolutely amazing for the price and if you keep options down - it's very hard to argue against. But when you're in GTS money territory, a used GT3 is something I'd get over any other car/911 in that bracket.

My opinions will not be shared by too many, but again - after ownership of the GT3, all other cars are ruined. I am on a waitlist for a 992 GT3RS at my local dealership and am counting down the days until Porsche announces it formally, to the point where I can track it on TYD.

tl;dr - GTS is great, used GT3 is better in the same price bracket. Don't just test drive it, rip the panties off the GT3 and abuse it to get a feeling of how amazing it is, and you won't be wanting a GTS too much longer. I originally wanted a 7MT 991.1 GTS, got coaxed into driving the GT3, and stopped wanting the GTS very shortly after. Depending on your use-case, you may feel the same.

[Vic55]

Originally Posted by AhsanU

I can't really speak for the 992 GTS since I haven't driven it. However, historically the GTS has usually been a beefed up C2S; so I can surmise how it drives based on history and decent time behind a C2S and a Turbo 992. This is also under the impression that you do not have much time behind a modern GT3, Vic.

Don't bother - just get a GT3. Depending on how much comfort you're looking for, since you're looking at a GTS, you can get a 991.2 or a 997.1. Or if you don't care about PDK vs. 6MT, the 991.1 GT3 was amazing with finger follower issues that were blown way out of proportion; it was reliable as hell.

The 992 is great, it really is - but after 35k+ miles in a 991.1 GT3, and a few spirited drives behind a manual 991.2 GT3, I can't ever justify spending that kind of money and getting a 911 that isn't a GT3. The sound, feel, gearbox (both PDK and 6MT) are on another level vs. their more pedestrian C2S, GTS, and yes, even the Turbo S, siblings. There's a rawness to the GT3 that cannot be matched. Yes, the GTS will likely be a more comfortable cruiser to putter about in town, but the previous gen GT3 isn't bad in the slightest. Mine had the normal seats (sofas as they're referred to on rennlist ) and I easily put well over 35k miles on mine in my ownership period.

While you may be hoping for some sprinkling of GT3 magic in the GTS, I doubt you'll get it outside of the feeling of acceleration maybe.. that's it. The Turbo S/GTS has face melting straight line performance, but so does a Tesla - it gets boring. There's an aural, raw, smile from ear-to-ear experience in the GT3 that no other 911 can provide because of the feedback from the steering wheel, the large unabashed wing out back, and an engine that roars to 9k RPM. This is on top of the feeling of specialness too. If anything, the base 911 is absolutely amazing for the price and if you keep options down - it's very hard to argue against. But when you're in GTS money territory, a used GT3 is something I'd get over any other car/911 in that bracket.

My opinions will not be shared by too many, but again - after ownership of the GT3, all other cars are ruined. I am on a waitlist for a 992 GT3RS at my local dealership and am counting down the days until Porsche announces it formally, to the point where I can track it on TYD.

tl;dr - GTS is great, used GT3 is better in the same price bracket. Don't just test drive it, rip the panties off the GT3 and abuse it to get a feeling of how amazing it is, and you won't be wanting a GTS too much longer. I originally wanted a 7MT 991.1 GTS, got coaxed into driving the GT3, and stopped wanting the GTS very shortly after. Depending on your use-case, you may feel the same.

So I truly appreciate what you wrote and the time you took to do so. Everything makes sense and I probably didnt word my og post with enough depth. I have had a GT3 and it was the 991.1 (see pic) and I loved every moment of it although it required a 9/10ths ripper driver to make it shine and I was that guy. I just had a tremendous offer for it so I sold it and along came a Huracan 4WD.

So I do not want another GT3 which I had while the current 992 GT3 is not remotely in the same range (well over 100k more if not 120k) so with my other lineup and cash is king, Im going just wait and see how this new GTS drives vs the likes of my current 991.2 GTS.

Here was my GT3 with a modified exhaust that made those LeMans noises even more prevalent:

[MCM4]

What a real beauty, Vic! I am just now delving into BMW for the very first time, perhaps Porsche down the road for me.

[Limegrntaln]

I've been reading, a lot about the GTS, myself, and I have to say, even though my opinion in the Porsche world, isn't worth the price of a Denny's Senior coffee, this would definitely be the car for me.

So the GTS is on the Turbo chassis, has the Turbo brakes, and you can option CCBs, and it has the center locks. Its available in AWD, and its twin turbo charged. Really not much more I can ask for.

I drove a 991.2 3RS on the track, 2 Sundays ago, and while I agree it was amazing, the sound coming from that car, at 9k RPM is just incredible. It just didn't have that kick in the pants, that I appreciate in a Turbo car. I felt like straight line acceleration, was a little less powerful than my G82.

The difference was in the bends, as it should be. But, Im not tracking day in, and day out. If I wanted something I could trailer to the track, the 3RS would be it. But for an amazing daily, the GTS would be the sweet spot.

[Vic55]

Originally Posted by Limegrntaln

I've been reading, a lot about the GTS, myself, and I have to say, even though my opinion in the Porsche world, isn't worth the price of a Denny's Senior coffee, this would definitely be the car for me.

So the GTS is on the Turbo chassis, has the Turbo brakes, and you can option CCBs, and it has the center locks. Its available in AWD, and its twin turbo charged. Really not much more I can ask for.

I drove a 991.2 3RS on the track, 2 Sundays ago, and while I agree it was amazing, the sound coming from that car, at 9k RPM is just incredible. It just didn't have that kick in the pants, that I appreciate in a Turbo car. I felt like straight line acceleration, was a little less powerful than my G82.

The difference was in the bends, as it should be. But, Im not tracking day in, and day out. If I wanted something I could trailer to the track, the 3RS would be it. But for an amazing daily, the GTS would be the sweet spot.

Sir...

Dennys has brilliant coffee

I think you make very real world valid points especially in regards to daily driveability with the tq that the GTS has. I love my R8 but Im not always driving it because its a 8 to 9/10ths car as well as my prior GT3 which requires the heavy rpm foot. But oh does it sound good.

Im thinking about this and a local store has one on the lot that might let me test it out tomorrow so Ill hopefully report back. Ive driven a 992 C4S as length and liked it enough but that was back in 2020 and I ended up just getting the R8 instead. But Im a Porsche fanboy so the itch is back and of course, at the absolute worst time I hear to get a P car in the 992 or higher iteration. Oh well its money.

[Limegrntaln]

Originally Posted by Vic55

Sir...

Dennys has brilliant coffee

I think you make very real world valid points especially in regards to daily driveability with the tq that the GTS has. I love my R8 but Im not always driving it because its a 8 to 9/10ths car as well as my prior GT3 which requires the heavy rpm foot. But oh does it sound good.

Im thinking about this and a local store has one on the lot that might let me test it out tomorrow so Ill hopefully report back. Ive driven a 992 C4S as length and liked it enough but that was back in 2020 and I ended up just getting the R8 instead. But Im a Porsche fanboy so the itch is back and of course, at the absolute worst time I hear to get a P car in the 992 or higher iteration. Oh well its money.

It is only money. I'd have a hard time getting one off the lot, because I can never decide on color and options. I always buy a car, like I'm going to keep it for a long time, and then it lasts 2-3 years, tops. I would want one in Chalk, with a carbon roof. I specd one out, and once it got to over $185k, I just closed the screen.

I don't know about how well they lease, so, it may be more affordable, from that standpoint. I've never leased a car, I've always just bought mine. G82 included. Maybe for my 50th, I'll surprise, myself. I have just about 3 years to decide.

[Vic55]

Originally Posted by Limegrntaln

It is only money. I'd have a hard time getting one off the lot, because I can never decide on color and options. I always buy a car, like I'm going to keep it for a long time, and then it lasts 2-3 years, tops. I would want one in Chalk, with a carbon roof. I specd one out, and once it got to over $185k, I just closed the screen.

I don't know about how well they lease, so, it may be more affordable, from that standpoint. I've never leased a car, I've always just bought mine. G82 included. Maybe for my 50th, I'll surprise, myself. I have just about 3 years to decide.

Porsche GT cars and 992's in general lease like shit... PFS is brutal on the residuals and even their money factors. Its definitely a cash buy for sure.

I love chalk, its just such a cool passive color but catches eyes all day and night. But building a GT3 and getting an allocation is like finding Jimmy Hoffa's body.

[Limegrntaln]

Originally Posted by Vic55

Porsche GT cars and 992's in general lease like shit... PFS is brutal on the residuals and even their money factors. Its definitely a cash buy for sure.

I love chalk, its just such a cool passive color but catches eyes all day and night. But building a GT3 and getting an allocation is like finding Jimmy Hoffa's body.

I think I built one, like a year ago, and tried their lease calculator, and I think I found the same thing. They lease like shit, but I couldn't remember, for sure.

You just confirmed what I was thinking. They lease like shit, because they don't want a bunch of 36,000 mile 3 year old cars, running around, as lease returns. They keep a tight grip on things, You would think it would be an excellent lease, because they hold their value, so well. But, alas, Porsche has the last word. I would 100% either be Chalk, or Fashion Gray. Both Porsche colors, but I suspect, since Chalk is one of their model colors, it would be cheaper than doing a PTS in Fashion.

Originally Posted by Vic55

building a GT3 and getting an allocation is like finding Jimmy Hoffa's body.

I can't even imagine. I tried to just find a C4S allocation, for like a year, and I couldn't even find that. Next best thing, for me, was M.

[Vic55]

Originally Posted by Limegrntaln

I think I built one, like a year ago, and tried their lease calculator, and I think I found the same thing. They lease like shit, but I couldn't remember, for sure.

You just confirmed what I was thinking. They lease like shit, because they don't want a bunch of 36,000 mile 3 year old cars, running around, as lease returns. They keep a tight grip on things, You would think it would be an excellent lease, because they hold their value, so well. But, alas, Porsche has the last word. I would 100% either be Chalk, or Fashion Gray. Both Porsche colors, but I suspect, since Chalk is one of their model colors, it would be cheaper than doing a PTS in Fashion.

I can't even imagine. I tried to just find a C4S allocation, for like a year, and I couldn't even find that. Next best thing, for me, was M.

I can find quite a few used 992's that are certified with minor markups over msrp with low miles but once we get to the GT cars, things just get nuts.

I spoke to my friend at a local larger dealer and he said he doesnt foresee allocations opening up for a long long time. I then called one of my wholesalers and he said he is dying for P cars and will pay all the money. Its a great time to have a P car if you love to drive but even more, if you want to make some payola!!!

[Limegrntaln]

Originally Posted by Vic55

I can find quite a few used 992's that are certified with minor markups over msrp with low miles but once we get to the GT cars, things just get nuts.

I spoke to my friend at a local larger dealer and he said he doesnt foresee allocations opening up for a long long time. I then called one of my wholesalers and he said he is dying for P cars and will pay all the money. It's a great time to have a P car if you love to drive but even more, if you want to make some payola!!!

The GT cars are impossible, these days. There was pages and pages of 991.2 GT cars, for sale, before the pandemic, and you could have a nice barely used, 1-2 year old car, for like $150k. Im looking at GT3s, right now, not even the RS, on Cars.com, for $192K for a 2018!! with $17,000 miles on it. And in the description, it literally says, Original MSRP, $160K!! https://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/b...-08705ee658b9/

[HeelToeShift]

Originally Posted by Limegrntaln

The GT cars are impossible, these days. There was pages and pages of 991.2 GT cars, for sale, before the pandemic, and you could have a nice barely used, 1-2 year old car, for like $150k. Im looking at GT3s, right now, not even the RS, on Cars.com, for $192K for a 2018!! with $17,000 miles on it. And in the description, it literally says, Original MSRP, $160K!! https://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/b...-08705ee658b9/

GT cars are not 'impossible'. Dealers are just not letting people spec them but instead spec'ing themselves and waiting for them to hit the floor for market pricing.