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..I dont see the M4 and 992 as competitors.. is it just me?
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Nope. At least not directly. I am sure everyone will have their own criteria and pick certain things to make them compete but IMO, Porsche is pretty much in a league of their own when it comes to the 911 (Macan/Cayenne/Panamera compete with everything else, just with a heavy premium).
If you want a pure sports car or the closest thing to it, you buy 911. Period. If you're looking for more, that's when you start to look at the M3/M4, RS5 and C63 and that's because you're likely looking for those creature comforts and everyday drivability and liveability. But that's just me. |
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Nope but you can still use a P-car as an example of something nice.
For us the 911 is an option of our next car, it doesn’t mean it’s a technical competitor to the M4 because it isn’t due to many factors. Sometimes you move on up or down when you buy a new car, sometimes you move into totally different segments |
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12-08-2019, 11:41 AM | #70 |
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Agreed and we do but we are on the fence about the rear seats. It’s going to be some hassle which I didn’t think my wife were willing to accept but it seems I could be wrong, we’ll see .
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I'm curious about which model sold more. Do we have any current sales figures?
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If BMW would make an M4 GC what would make it an M4 and not an M3 is a lower roofline and a wider body with smaller rear flares. Last edited by solstice; 12-09-2019 at 09:57 AM.. |
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Not based on this:
https://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1363992 Do we have updated figures because numbers show overwhelmingly that BMW M coupes outsell the sedans. |
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The M3 sedan has not been a regular model in the lineup over the generations, so until this coming generation it has never had the same conditions as the coupe under which to establish momentum. I suspect we will see the G80 M3 be even more popular than the F80 was. Also, part of the reason the F80 M3 will ultimately be outsold by the F82 once final numbers are available is that the coupe is on the market for about a year and a half longer. The same will hold true for this generation. But, come next year when F82 production ends we should be able to determine which one had the higher sales rate. I suspect that it's going to be pretty close. It still won't be a completely fair comparison since over the last year and half of its life, the M4 will likely have enjoyed some additional sales simply because there was no M3 available. |
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I believe the coupe E46's and E9X's outsold their sedan counterparts as well, be it ///M or non-///M. To be fair, wasn't the F80 on the market before the coupe? I don't recall exactly. |
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12-09-2019, 11:07 AM | #79 |
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They were launched and available simultaneously. Further I recall members having problem securing M3 allocations at time. If I recall they were either more limited at times or more popular causing this. My dealer had two initial M3 allocations according to them whereof I got one
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For coupe/sedan reference..... BMW sold 14,700 E92 MT M3 coupes; 29,188 E92 M-DCT coupes. BMW sold 4,318 E90 MT M3 sedans; 5,288 E90 M-DCT coupes. I'm still looking for final E46 non-M coupe/sedan numbers, but those figures are staggering in favor of coupes in general. I remember seeing the E46 numbers a long time ago and the numbers favored the coupes by a significant margin. BMW has sold a total of 16,057 F80 M3's in the U.S. among the variants (..launch, LCI, ZCP, CS, etc.). I'm fairly certain that the coupe will nearly double that number. |
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Total sales numbers are as mkoesel point out not a good measure on popularity unless given for years when both models were on sale. And then you have the matter of need vs. looks scewing the numbers as in my case. I prefer the look of the M4 but needed 4 doors. |
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But the 3 Series? A little OT, and I don't have the data to look at, but I'm all but certain that the coupe has never outsold the sedan. Maybe in the early generations (especially the E30, where the sedan was first introduced), but it was definitely not the case for the E46, E9x, or F3x. It is important to remember that, in todays's automotive market, coupe sales make up a tiny fraction of all car sales - less than 5% of the total market. It's true that for performance vehicles that percentage is considerably higher, but high performance sedans are popular for the same reason sedans in general are popular - they generally offer more versatility than a two-door. Quote:
Here's an indicator (a little outdated, yes) of how 4 Series coupe, convertible, and GC sales split: https://www.motor1.com/news/143701/b...-series-coupe/ If you look at numbers, the 4 Series has only rarely outsold the 3 Series, and from the above we can rightly assume that was due to the Gran Coupe. Quote:
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"My feeling right now is that the F80 M3 is going to more than triple the sales of the E90 M3 while the M4 sales will stay relatively flat." Low and behold, it did just that. Smart guy, whoever predicted that. https://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1551939 We'll soon see what happens with the M4. I suspect that part of the quote will prove to be less accurate. I don't remember how many E92 M3s were sold, but I suspect that F82 numbers will be well over 50K and I know the E92 M3 didn't get near that. |
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https://www.m3post.com/forums/attach...5&d=1376330183 The coupe won significantly for that generation. |
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So, I figure they'll post an increase of 30% to 50% for the F82. Not really flat, but nevertheless modest when compared to the increase the sedan saw.
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For the the G8x generation, here's what I expect: - Overall sales fall compared to the F8x generation due to the shift to SUVs, and in particular the introduction of the X3/X4 M. - Over the years where they are both available (so 2021 through 2025), the M3 will easily outsell the M4 coupe. |
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