[VIERsr]

Originally Posted by M2CS

These cars were never meant to compete with a M2 or M2CS, it's a completely different market segment. The M2's lack of tech, space for passengers, and luxury features wouldn't make it a good option for buyers in this segment. Buyers for this type of vehicle aren't really looking for that "pure" driver's car experience... they want comfort, luxury, practicality, acceptable handling, and enough power to make it fun.

As a M2 owner, I couldn't have said it better

[DocWeatherington]

0-60: 3.66
1/4: 11.62 at 124.7

Jason

[Scorp!on]

say what you want, the reviews have all something in common (let the aestethic thing apart):

- Se germäns made a brilliant car!

[Jimjamz]

Originally Posted by VIERsr

As a M2 owner, I couldn't have said it better

As a happy F80 M3 owner they're not that far apart. I certainly considered a G80 and would have got one if not for the design. Instead very happy with the F87 CS.

[Ikester19]

Originally Posted by ihbase

Harris keep repeating the line "... if you can get over the way it looks."

Indeed.

I went to see both cars last weekend. Remarkably, they look even worse in person. The fit, finish, and attention to detail are extraordinary. No doubt the chassis evolution is spectacular- as Harris mentioned "credit to whoever still works there." But man, are they ugly.

And unlike the 928, Panamera, and e82, none of which are friends with the camera, but each of which come off better in-person, the G80/G82 just looks worse in person.

I'm sure they will lease to the garish worldwide and sell to the newly moneyed in developing economies - but man, an LCI can not come soon enough.

Spending time in-person with the whole package is like suddenly approaching vomit on a subway platform- the closer you get, the worse you feel.

Let's hope BMW does not commit the same aesthetic assault to the next M2.

-Michael

Whilst looks are subjective I think the proportions of the G80 look good. Based on the various reviews the consensus is it's hands down better than the F80 in every way apart from its weight. It's going to be a big hit and it will sell well no doubt.
The G82 on the other hand just doesn't look appealing to me, as pointed out in the Throttle House review its not the front end, it's the entire exterior design that looks out of whack. No doubt it's a great performance car but TBH I cannot think of an uglier BMW made coupe... ever.

Like you, I'm hanging out for the G87 M2, and based on the mules we've seen so far and the updated interior we see in the G80/82 I think it will be a winner.

[Jimjamz]

Originally Posted by scoobysaurus

Love the new M3! And IMHO throttle house had the best review. The rest of the reviews (at least the ones I've watched so far) were kind of dull and lacking excitement.

On a personal note, I've already put a deposit on a Tesla Roadster to replace my Viper and McLaren, and thinking about a Cayenne GTS to replace my SVR, but man the G80 would make a great replacement for my 640 (and also the Viper in a way because I can't imagine my garage without a manual performance car).

P.S. idc what the reviewers say but I like it way better than the Alfa.

Are we watching the same reviews? Didn't throttle house say they wouldn't buy the car because of the design? That said, they liked the rest. So if you like the design, you're on a win.

[MadBimmeRad]

Originally Posted by M2CS

These cars were never meant to compete with a M2 or M2CS, it's a completely different market segment. The M2's lack of tech, space for passengers, and luxury features wouldn't make it a good option for buyers in this segment. Buyers for this type of vehicle aren't really looking for that "pure" driver's car experience... they want comfort, luxury, practicality, acceptable handling, and enough power to make it fun.

There's no denying that M2 and M3/4 are two radically different breeds, however, I somewhat disagree with you on what owners of the latter want. Yes, I'm sure they want all that you said but I'm also sure they want something fun and wild as well as techful of luxury.

of course, I may be wrong entirely

[LegendVer2]

Originally Posted by VIERsr

Really? https://g80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1805794

It's another case of vocal minority. Like anything in life, the one's who don't like something will voice it the most and loudest, especially with something they wanted to like. That's because they actually lost something, while those who like it just like it.

[Puuhapete]

Originally Posted by Al Bundy's Dodge

What struck me about the Chris Harris review was the contrast with his M2 video. His enthusiasm for the M2 was infectious.

While I think he was being honest with his words, He didn't seem that excited in the M3. As they say, actions speak louder than words, and I think that is what leaves me a little disappointed after his review.

That said, agree with the praise for the Throttle House review. Really well produced.

I really like Chris, but very often I have a much different opinion. F.ex. he praised the 1M in compared to the E92 M3 and my opinion is totally the opposite, I find the 1M quite dull. So he seems in general to like small and lighter cars and thats fine.
Throttle House have same liking parameters as myself.

[keanu1]

So, bottom line, M3/4 is brilliant But alfa is better

[koryrykman]

😞... still can't even with that front end.

[edwinm3]

steering response shouldn't be an issue if never seeing the track. Looks like a fun car

[Jimjamz]

My takeaway from these reviews:

M engineers 1: BMW exterior designers Nil.

[Jproos]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

The anti-G8X'ers who eat/breathe/sleep Chris Harris ignore(d) most of the positives.......even parsing words for that good ol' confirmation bias.

He did give both sides plenty enough to find what they want. Maybe on purpose? He is now a media personality, after all. Don’t get me wrong, his was always going to be the first review I watched. Paid racing drivers know how to evaluate a performance car.

I think his comment about a delay is worth noting. His comments about the looks are not more important than anyone else’s thoughts on that subject. That comment about the delay made me even happier that I ordered the 6MT G80.

[PrinceBarin]

"It's a much more capable car than the one it's replacing... It's just less angry, less lairy... And there's a bit of a point to make there. Some people will miss that personality. They really will. This car doesn't quite have that grab you by the scruff of the neck, irritate you, constantly jostle you down the road feel" - Chris Harris.

Sedan Clan made a good point earlier about not confusing good performance with a car that is trying to kill you which I totally agree with.

But I always think of my M4 as more of a crazy best mate. The life and soul of a night out. Sure you have a headache the next day and you can't find your wallet but it was still the best night out you've ever had.

No doubt I'll be safer in the G8x. And faster. Interior looks way better. But as much fun?

[thatBimmerBloke]

Originally Posted by LeedsM4

Oooo big one from Chris Harris - "like a powerful M340i" ... how disappointing. Definitely lost its raw and angry personality

I believe that was only about power, he followed with how it differs and excels when it comes to the chassis and handling.

[EXE46]

And again the moral of the story is that it's virtually impossible for BMW to build an M car that satisfies everybody. Many say they loved the rambunctious nature of the F series M car but there are as many who hated that aspect even here on this fora. In the pseudo celebrity You-tubers world, it was also the same, some love it some hated it. Consequently, BMW decided to make a more livable car this time, that is just as good without some of the theatrics of its predecessor.

Can't knock BMW for something many asked for. Anyhow, I have no gripe in that regard; my only concern now is the ZF8. They should have stuck with the DCT and make some updates instead of going this route. Anyhow, a test drive is in order but if what the pseudo celebs are saying is true, I would opt for the manual.

[Jproos]

Originally Posted by thatBimmerBloke

I believe that was only about power, he followed with how it differs and excels when it comes to the chassis and handling.

People who want to hate on the G8x were given a lot with that one comment. It’s interesting that no one else seems to have anything remotely negative to say about the power; quite the opposite. Still, CH referred to it as a more powerful M340i and that’s got to be disappointing, no matter how you slice it.

To be clear, I ordered one and feel lucky I stuck with my plan to get the 6MT. I think his other disappointing comment about a delay will not be relevant to the manual. I don’t care about his, or anyone’s, thoughts on the looks. No one else gets to tell you what should look good to you. However, I really don’t like the version of the grill on the regular 4 series. I was very worried, I’d finally be in a position to buy an M3 and wouldn’t love how it looks. That would have sucked pretty hard. Thankfully, I do like the version on the G8x a lot; even more so in person.

I find it interesting that his review was, in a few important ways, opposite to pretty much every other review. No one else is calling out the steering/chassis dynamics with quite same enthusiasm (maybe Autogefuel). And no reviews have commented about the delay he mentions. Perhaps he just REALLY wanted a manual or a DCT, doesn’t like automatics, and can’t quite forgive it? Could it be that simple?

[clee1982]

That's a lot review to go through

[Boss330]

From Mr AMG

[bm323]

Originally Posted by Boss330

From Mr AMG

Now this is an extremely complimentary review, very good ... note at 19:40 when he started the engine and 20:40 to 24:10 when he talked about "steering" ... this is different from the other "steering" which some (pretentious and some not) enthusiasts like to appear to talk about

[Rick955]

Originally Posted by Scorp!on

say what you want, the reviews have all something in common (let the aesthetic thing apart):

- Se germäns made a brilliant car!

For sure, and they all love that engine. Imagine if BMW had leaned a bit more towards traditional vs so radical with the grill. It looks like the after-marketers will be dreaming up all kinds of new fronts. Not sure what we'll be seeing for variations on the streets a year or two from now!