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      01-24-2022, 09:12 PM   #1
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M Driver's Package

What do people think about the M Driver's Package? Is it something people are buying? I was looking at BMW's driver's course website and it appears as though the 1 day course by itself costs $1550 which means that it costs an additional $995 to raise your top speed.

Has anyone had a stage 1 tune as of yet? It seems that a stage 1 tune is around $700 from some of the vendors. Does the tune raise the top speed? If so wouldn't it much more sense to simply get the tune?

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What do people think about the M Driver's Package? Is it something people are buying? I was looking at BMW's driver's course website and it appears as though the 1 day course by itself costs $1550 which means that it costs an additional $995 to raise your top speed.

Has anyone had a stage 1 tune as of yet? It seems that a stage 1 tune is around $700 from some of the vendors. Does the tune raise the top speed? If so wouldn't it much more sense to simply get the tune?

Thank!

P.S. I have a deposit for an M3 Comp AWD and I'm trying to tie down the specs.
I think of it this way: A person who pays for increasing the speed limit is likely to utilize that on the track (in the US). The increased wear on the car probably has a non-zero increase in potential warranty claims on such cars. The pricing accounts for that (otherwise what cost is there really to ship a software switch). The school part is to create more value for money while obfuscating the "insurance cost" of the option.

If you go with a tune, BMW doesn't have to honor the drivetrain warranty (if attributable to the tune). You're saving some small amount of money but carrying a larger risk yourself. Someone who is able to stomach such a risk isn't likely to be looking to save the few hundred dollars on the front end - hence if I were actually interested in the increased speed, I'd get it from BMW themselves.

I didn't get the package. I would 100% get it if I were in Germany as I've topped out to the 155 mph limiter on my last BMW there.
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An actual flash is in the range of 4k with ECU unlock from Femto IIRC. It's not been developed enough yet, I'd say wait. Unless I'm mistaken the 995 includes the 1 day driving school.
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Agreed with the above.

Additionally you should keep in mind the M Driver's Package raises the speed limiter, but doesn't add any horsepower. Whereas a tune does raise power and optionally (usually does) raises or deletes the speed limiter. So, along with the sound logic above, it's not an apples to apples comparison.
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You can also use the driver's school as a voucher and use it towards another program offered by BMW (e.g., the M4 GT4 experience)
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This is perhaps the only thing that irks me about the options. Generally, I think the BMW packages and options are sensibly laid out. But having to pay extra to achieve the drivetrain's top speed? I think that is a horrible idea. I passed on it as 155 is enough for me, and even for tracking that is sufficient for most straight opportunities. But to tell the guy paying 80 - 100k for his car "we need another $2500 for you to hit max speed", that is very off-putting.
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I specd it. Because, if Im paying over $100k for a car. Im buying the whole speedometer. I specd the CCBs, because you have to be able to stop from that speed, without the brakes fading.

At the time I ordered my car, the DMEs weren't unlocked, and who knew if they would ever be? I haven't used the trak day, yet, but I plan on taking advantage of it, when time permits.
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This is perhaps the only thing that irks me about the options. Generally, I think the BMW packages and options are sensibly laid out. But having to pay extra to achieve the drivetrain's top speed? I think that is a horrible idea. I passed on it as 155 is enough for me, and even for tracking that is sufficient for most straight opportunities. But to tell the guy paying 80 - 100k for his car "we need another $2500 for you to hit max speed", that is very off-putting.
BMW is smart. They know that most people (I would assume) who pay for this are never going to attend the Drivers School since they're only located in South Carolina & Palm Desert. So they're literally extracting that revenue to increase the top speed which costs them nothing.

Whoever thought of this is a genius. Do I think it's off putting? Yes.
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BMW is smart. They know that most people (I would assume) who pay for this are never going to attend the Drivers School since they're only located in South Carolina & Palm Desert. So they're literally extracting that revenue to increase the top speed which costs them nothing.

Whoever thought of this is a genius. Do I think it's off putting? Yes.
They don't even clearly say what type of driving school. I've been to them all, including advanced M in thermal. I feel like whatever 1 day school they'd procure for me would be less than anything I've already done.

That plus BMW gives you a 1 day driving school with purchase of the car anyway...

Or if you want to go to the performance center... you get it anyway...

So I don't know what the customer is getting for that much money. It's a scam. It's not like they need to 'add' anything to the vehicle so it can go faster.
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They don't even clearly say what type of driving school. I've been to them all, including advanced M in thermal. I feel like whatever 1 day school they'd procure for me would be less than anything I've already done.

That plus BMW gives you a 1 day driving school with purchase of the car anyway...

Or if you want to go to the performance center... you get it anyway...

So I don't know what the customer is getting for that much money. It's a scam. It's not like they need to 'add' anything to the vehicle so it can go faster.
I wasn't aware the 1 day driving school was included with the purchase of the car. How do you claim that?
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I wasn't aware the 1 day driving school was included with the purchase of the car. How do you claim that?
1 day car control school. I got an email immediately after my purchase, and immediately after my last one as well.

It's not M school. It can be used towards another product if one wants to 'upgrade' to any of the other driving schools.
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Is there a way to flash just the speed limit increase without an ECU tune? I don't care for more power and void any warranty coverage with a tune.
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Moonroof issue

Note that ordering the M Driver's Package removes the moonroof as an option. According to a BMW page I stumbled across (and failed to bookmark) the moonroof in these cars can blow out at speeds over 155 mph.

I dithered over getting the M Driver's Package, and read all the threads I could find on it. At first I thought there were unstated features included (e.g., beefier components, etc.; I have seen other manufacturers do this) but, so-far, that appears to not be the case for the current BMW M3/M4s.

I hit 165 mph once in my life, on the autobahn. I hit 155 mph once in my life (in a part of "mexico" where everybody speaks american; the same day a good office in a desert region pulled me over for doing 140 and wrote me up for doing 80 in a 70 zone). You can see below what is _not_ in my current build.
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I specd it. Because, if Im paying over $100k for a car. Im buying the whole speedometer. I specd the CCBs, because you have to be able to stop from that speed, without the brakes fading.

At the time I ordered my car, the DMEs weren't unlocked, and who knew if they would ever be? I haven't used the trak day, yet, but I plan on taking advantage of it, when time permits.
My thinking is along similar lines; I specced it even though I'm not certain if my car will be on track (I'm open to it), but the M performance school is a bucket list item for me and this gave me another excuse to pull the trigger. I'm doing the two-day course but both my and my CA's understanding is that the value of the voucher can be transferred.
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I specd it. Because, if Im paying over $100k for a car. Im buying the whole speedometer. I specd the CCBs, because you have to be able to stop from that speed, without the brakes fading.

At the time I ordered my car, the DMEs weren't unlocked, and who knew if they would ever be? I haven't used the trak day, yet, but I plan on taking advantage of it, when time permits.
My thinking is along similar lines; I specced it even though I'm not certain if my car will be on track (I'm open to it), but the M performance school is a bucket list item for me and this gave me another excuse to pull the trigger. I'm doing the two-day course but both my and my CA's understanding is that the value of the voucher can be transferred.
I still need to get with my CA to get my voucher. I definitely need to check on that. I reminded him with I went back for my break in service, but I haven't heard anything about it, since. Thanks for reminding me.
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Had not ordered the M-Driver’s package with my initial order as I rarely drove above the limited speed in the past (here in Germany). However, got it now as I switched horses and bought a read-available M4Cx. I do not mind to have it as I now do not always have to give way in cases when a lower motorized Porsche approaches, as they all can go beyond the 250 Km/h limit here.
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I specd it. Because, if Im paying over $100k for a car. Im buying the whole speedometer. I specd the CCBs, because you have to be able to stop from that speed, without the brakes fading.

At the time I ordered my car, the DMEs weren't unlocked, and who knew if they would ever be? I haven't used the trak day, yet, but I plan on taking advantage of it, when time permits.
My thinking is along similar lines; I specced it even though I'm not certain if my car will be on track (I'm open to it), but the M performance school is a bucket list item for me and this gave me another excuse to pull the trigger. I'm doing the two-day course but both my and my CA's understanding is that the value of the voucher can be transferred.
I still need to get with my CA to get my voucher. I definitely need to check on that. I reminded him with I went back for my break in service, but I haven't heard anything about it, since. Thanks for reminding me.
Can't you call the performance center/school and they can look up your VIN and see you have the voucher to get you booked for the class or give you a credit for a different class?
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I specd it. Because, if Im paying over $100k for a car. Im buying the whole speedometer. I specd the CCBs, because you have to be able to stop from that speed, without the brakes fading.

At the time I ordered my car, the DMEs weren't unlocked, and who knew if they would ever be? I haven't used the trak day, yet, but I plan on taking advantage of it, when time permits.
My thinking is along similar lines; I specced it even though I'm not certain if my car will be on track (I'm open to it), but the M performance school is a bucket list item for me and this gave me another excuse to pull the trigger. I'm doing the two-day course but both my and my CA's understanding is that the value of the voucher can be transferred.
I still need to get with my CA to get my voucher. I definitely need to check on that. I reminded him with I went back for my break in service, but I haven't heard anything about it, since. Thanks for reminding me.
Can't you call the performance center/school and they can look up your VIN and see you have the voucher to get you booked for the class or give you a credit for a different class?
I didn't think about that. I just may do that instead. Looking at the calendar, they only have one day a month set aside for the M Drivers Package track day. Unless I just supplement and add another class. I believe it's a $1,500 voucher you get, anyway. I can use that towards any course, I'm sure.
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I didn't think about that. I just may do that instead. Looking at the calendar, they only have one day a month set aside for the M Drivers Package track day. Unless I just supplement and add another class. I believe it's a $1,500 voucher you get, anyway. I can use that towards any course, I'm sure.
Yes, you can. I'd recommend at least the 2-day M School, advanced M, or GT4 experience
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I say do the M Performance package!

I had a 2018 M4 Competition and attended the M school in Thermal Ca. about 10 months after purchase.

I used a credit card points to get a flight into Palms springs, and rented a car. The hotel was absolutely first rate. Drove to Thermal the next morning and we had a blast in18 BMW's (their )tires, gas, engines etc..at the time 6 M2's, 6 M3's, and 6 M4's, for about 6-7 hours. You learn a lot, and do things you should never do on a public road. Good lunch. You get some bling, and there are small awards for best times for a couple events. And a hot lap with a pro-instructor/driver (they are all pro's). My favorite item from the bling was a BMW cap you can only get there, or on eBay.

It's a lot of work to drive that way for day, but a great feeling of accomplishment at the end of the day.

Is it worth is? Up to you. It was to me. I agree that a car should go full speed without having to pay, but it is what it is. I did it for both the
'just in case I find the opportunity to go full speed" and the car's value if I have to sell it, which I do not plan on doing. And bragging I guess.

Afterward the day at the track, I drove back to the hotel, cleaned up, and went to an amazing Mexican restaurant for a good dinner.

Bring your wife/husband/GF/BF and let them either come with you to the track (if they are into cars) or stay at the hotel and relax by the pool.

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I didn't think about that. I just may do that instead. Looking at the calendar, they only have one day a month set aside for the M Drivers Package track day. Unless I just supplement and add another class. I believe it's a $1,500 voucher you get, anyway. I can use that towards any course, I'm sure.
I would recommend doing the One Day M class and if you have time three hours of private coaching the next day. You get a lot more seat time with private coaching than a second Day of M class. You get to choose the car and what you want to improve upon (Corner entry/exit, race line etc...). Every minute counts with private coaching even your bathroom break lol
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I didn't think about that. I just may do that instead. Looking at the calendar, they only have one day a month set aside for the M Drivers Package track day. Unless I just supplement and add another class. I believe it's a $1,500 voucher you get, anyway. I can use that towards any course, I'm sure.
I would recommend doing the One Day M class and if you have time three hours of private coaching the next day. You get a lot more seat time with private coaching than a second Day of M class. You get to choose the car and what you want to improve upon (Corner entry/exit, race line etc...). Every minute counts with private coaching even your bathroom break lol
That's definitely a good idea.
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