[RAUDERRIPPER]

Originally Posted by Tyga11

997.2

Got it.

Still looking at high mileage for 150 range 997.2 gt3.

[Salespunk]

Originally Posted by RAUDERRIPPER

Dealers around here are charging 300k plus for the gt3. Good luck with that MSRP hunt!

I referred to a 997.2 not the 992.1. 992 is beautiful, but unobtainable at this point.

[RPM33]

Originally Posted by Salespunk

I referred to a 997.2 not the 992.1. 992 is beautiful, but unobtainable at this point.

You are correct. I have tried in vain to get an allocation for a 992 GT3 or a 718 Cayman GT4 RS but it doesn’t look like it will happen. Very frustrating. Unless you are a VIP customer with a long purchase history at your Porsche dealer, the odds are really slim for a GT3 or GT4 RS allocation.

Looks like I may settle for a M4 CSL as a 992 911 Turbo S is very expensive and seems more like a grand tourer than a hardcore car. Plus the 992 Turbo S may eventually go hybrid which is a complete deal breaker for me.

[FrankieNuo]

Is there any chance we get an xdrive cs?

[adc]

Originally Posted by hellokitty

All of this CSL testing on the Nurburgring is not enough for you?

What you are referring to is making the car economical to track, which isn't the same as a stock car being ready to take on a few laps without any compromises.

If someone wanted a full time track car, they would get the M4 GT3.

Nope. The M4 GT3 is a race car and I doubt there is anyone on this forum who could really drive it well. It’s also very expensive to buy and run. No passenger seat. Complex specialized electronics. Not a good track car at all for non competitive driving.

When switching carbon ceramic rotors to steel ones you aren’t just making a GTS more economical to track, you are also improving its longevity and all without losing any braking performance. The carbon ceramics are really just for the show crowd, it’s expected for a car in this vein to have them. Not because they’re actually giving an advantage. Porsche guys do the same thing swapping them out for steels on the GT3/RS, a whole cottage industry has sprung up around this.

The US GTS seats are also no bueno on track, and harnesses don’t work well with them, so people chuck them out.

The water injection system is a clever idea, but also a somewhat of a minor hassle. Adjustable camber plates are a must to obtain the right alignment. Cup 2s in OEM sizes not durable enough, not wide enough and weird staggered diameters. Etc etc etc.


And what good is a car that can “ take on a few laps without compromises”? That is when the fun starts…

Cars like the GTS are a starting point for track duty which is just further along than a CS, or a ZCP, or a base. But there is still enough room for improvement. We won’t know how far along this line the new CSL sits for some time…

[ScullyD]

Originally Posted by FrankieNuo

Is there any chance we get an xdrive cs?

The rumors indicate that it will be an xdrive CS in 2023 after the RWD CSL in 2022.

[hellokitty]

Originally Posted by adc

Nope. The M4 GT3 is a race car and I doubt there is anyone on this forum who could really drive it well. It's also very expensive to buy and run. No passenger seat. Complex specialized electronics. Not a good track car at all for non competitive driving.

When switching carbon ceramic rotors to steel ones you aren't just making a GTS more economical to track, you are also improving its longevity and all without losing any braking performance. The carbon ceramics are really just for the show crowd, it's expected for a car in this vein to have them. Not because they're actually giving an advantage. Porsche guys do the same thing swapping them out for steels on the GT3/RS, a whole cottage industry has sprung up around this.

The US GTS seats are also no bueno on track, and harnesses don't work well with them, so people chuck them out.

The water injection system is a clever idea, but also a somewhat of a minor hassle. Adjustable camber plates are a must to obtain the right alignment. Cup 2s in OEM sizes not durable enough, not wide enough and weird staggered diameters. Etc etc etc.


And what good is a car that can " take on a few laps without compromises"? That is when the fun starts…

Cars like the GTS are a starting point for track duty which is just further along than a CS, or a ZCP, or a base. But there is still enough room for improvement. We won't know how far along this line the new CSL sits for some time…

"Cars like the GTS are a starting point for track duty"

When BMW was able to shave off 24 seconds from the Nurburgring lap time with the M4 GTS compared to a base M4, I'm not sure if I would try to argue that the GTS is just a "starting point for track duty."

https://www.carthrottle.com/post/the...a-standard-m4/

[frankiebones]

Originally Posted by dezzracer

They did.

Specifically people were insisting the SHAPE of the grille was to be changed to a more traditional kidney shape in response to the worldwide backlash. Changing the slats does not fit the narrative people were pushing st the time of my comment last year.

[Der_Wolf]

I think the CSL is really cool. Not sure why the hate. Would love to trade in my G82 and get one

[frankiebones]

Originally Posted by dezzracer

The grill is different on CSL, getting closer to the GTS race car. Which is the grill they should have done in first place. I mean crap, they already had the mold.

You keep responding to 9 month old comments (mine and Ghostriderf80 's) as if they were made yesterday. The thread has been updated with new pics 8 times since these comments were made and you are playing "gotcha" in a way that doesn't make sense.

At the time our comments were made the only pictures on this thread were the april 14, 2021 pictures, which showed the same grille (shape AND interior slats) as is on the base/comp models.

Ultimately, the slats are different. The grille shape (which is what we are referring to) is not. Many members who were "anti grille" made crazy statements at the time that the LCI or the CSL models would have a more traditional kidney shape. That made little sense to many of us at the time, and that is what we are referring to.

[ChiTownM]

I have been following this thread for some time and I am definitely most concerned about the price and the depreciation. The GTS would be the closest comparison and it didn't hold its value at all, the previous CS cars didn't either. current M2 and M5 CS is tbd (I own a M2 CS).

Obviously the market conditions have changed again, however BMWs seen to always suffer a steep depreciation curve, just like AMG…..outside of that G Wagon.

[Der_Wolf]

Originally Posted by ChiTownM

I have been following this thread for some time and I am definitely most concerned about the price and the depreciation. The GTS would be the closest comparison and it didn't hold its value at all, the previous CS cars didn't either. current M2 and M5 CS is tbd (I own a M2 CS).

Obviously the market conditions have changed again, however BMWs seen to always suffer a steep depreciation curve, just like AMG…..outside of that G Wagon.

CS/CSL are going to have the worst depreciation even compared to other M cars. I still want one lol

[n55f15]

Just noticed the fins running down the trunk, interesting

[F80DK]

Originally Posted by AlexFL

Where were the pictures taken? Looks like Denmark or Sweden.

Not Denmark. Probably Sweden or Norway.

[F80DK]

Originally Posted by jpdchicago

The M3 Gts IS legendary in Europe. Impossible to get your hands on one unless you have $200,000+ in the bank. Ask any car enthusiast over there.
Too early to tell for the M4 Gts.

Hmn…, the M3 GTS E90 was not much faster around the Ring (7.49) than the original CSL (7.50). A dissapointment for the gents at SportAuto in their Supertest. A M3 CRT version is the one I prefer - and produced in much lower numbers (67).

[Davil]

Originally Posted by Because

Would this be a good car to flip?

Someone has to ask

If it does indeed come with a roll cage then yes, you'll be very safe.

[Jamal82]

Today I got new information on my order:

- CSL will be 4 seater (but it seems that you will be able to opt for rear seat delete, but not 100% sure on that); this info seems to be a bit odd if looking at the latest spy pics

- current dashboard (and not the new one which is coming with the M3 touring)

anyone who can confirm that?

[Chicane_]

Originally Posted by Jamal82

Today I got new information on my order:

- CSL will be 4 seater (but it seems that you will be able to opt for rear seat delete, but not 100% sure on that); this info seems to be a bit odd if looking at the latest spy pics

- current dashboard (and not the new one which is coming with the M3 touring)

anyone who can confirm that?

Doesn't make sense to me. Suspensions are tuned to accommodate a fully ladened vehicle (all passengers, full tank of gas). The reason why BMW removed the rear seats on the GTS and centre rear seat on the M5 CS, and why Porsche didn't add a rear seat option to the GT3 touring is mainly for that reason. The cars are tuned for a lighter maximum payload which allows the ride height, suspension, brakes to be optimized accordingly.

Adding back rear seats is a more than just a change to the interior unless they're willing to accept massive chassis tuning compromises (or have different spring rates and shock tuning for the different versions).

[beachBmmr]

Originally Posted by Jamal82

Today I got new information on my order:

- CSL will be 4 seater (but it seems that you will be able to opt for rear seat delete, but not 100% sure on that); this info seems to be a bit odd if looking at the latest spy pics

- current dashboard (and not the new one which is coming with the M3 touring)

anyone who can confirm that?

How do you have a csl order?

[MadBimmeRad]

Originally Posted by beachBmmr

How do you have a csl order?

Deposit taken, contract is conditional till allocation has been announced (on my part anyway)

[JTO24]

Originally Posted by Chicane_

Doesn't make sense to me. Suspensions are tuned to accommodate a fully ladened vehicle (all passengers, full tank of gas). The reason why BMW removed the rear seats on the GTS and centre rear seat on the M5 CS, and why Porsche didn't add a rear seat option to the GT3 touring is mainly for that reason. The cars are tuned for a lighter maximum payload which allows the ride height, suspension, brakes to be optimized accordingly.

Adding back rear seats is a more than just a change to the interior unless they're willing to accept massive chassis tuning compromises (or have different spring rates and shock tuning for the different versions).

I agree however Porsche did just this with the 991.2 911T where rear seats could be optioned in or deleted.

[RPM33]

Originally Posted by MadBimmeRad

Deposit taken, contract is conditional till allocation has been announced (on my part anyway)

When is your anticipated production?