[VIERsr]

Originally Posted by Rick955

Good lord. It is what it is! BMW doesn't give a rats ass what any of you think and they will still sell a crazy number of them. Us "purists" on this forum are a miniscule fraction of their audience, and, probably not even squarely in the crosshairs of their "target" audience. If you don't like it, then just let it go and find something else! Christ... the grill, the steering wheel, the hood, the bumper, the electronic dash... F'ing ridiculous.

Amen

[Penguino]

Originally Posted by mlust

Yeah I agree, I’m not a huge fan of the hood. I still haven’t seen it in person, but for me this is the least thing I like about the design.

A CF hood that removes the raised nostrils and adds the M power dome and shaves a few pounds will sell very well.

[M2PDX]

Originally Posted by Rick955

Good lord. It is what it is! BMW doesn't give a rats ass what any of you think and they will still sell a crazy number of them. Us "purists" on this forum are a miniscule fraction of their audience, and, probably not even squarely in the crosshairs of their "target" audience. If you don't like it, then just let it go and find something else! Christ... the grill, the steering wheel, the hood, the bumper, the electronic dash... F'ing ridiculous.

CALM DOWN!

[frankiebones]

Originally Posted by jordan35i

Says the guy who thinks his opinion is more correct than the majority.

Hint that's where the word objective comes from. This bumper is objectively better because the majority agrees. There is no other deciding factor.

I respect opinions worth respecting personally.

All opinions are correct, by definition, unless they relate to facts that are untrue. Opinions are unique and are the subjective mind of the person who forms them.

Even in the case of the Pontiac Aztek, one of the least liked cars in history, any opinion on the car's appearance is a subjective one.

Even if 1 person in 1,000 liked the G80 and the other 999 hated it, any opinion on the styling is, by definition, subjective.

An objective statement is the G80 weighs more than the F80. A subjective statement is the F80 looks better.

People commonly confuse the two, you're not alone in that. What separates you is your unshakable belief you know the definition of a word that you do not.

[tetsuo111]

My favorite interpretation. The small kidneys are a link to BMW's heritage. I would like to see a photoshop with vertical rather than horizontal grill slats. The large lower grill signals performance.

The OEM chipmunk face isn't only hideous, it has no relevance to BMW's lineage.

Originally Posted by Flamingi

[Rick955]

Originally Posted by tetsuo111

My favorite interpretation. The small kidneys are a link to BMW's heritage. I would like to see a photoshop with vertical rather than horizontal grill slats. The large lower grill signals performance.

The OEM chipmunk face isn't only hideous, it has no relevance to BMW's lineage.

I don't disagree with you... I kind of like that too. But BMW isn't going to do it so it appears that the aftermarketers are grinning right now and they see a whole lot of opportunity. I can only imagine how many different looks this car will have in a few years. With the F8x, even with all kinds of mods, you still knew it was an F8x. The G8x could be morphed into all kind of freakish iterations... people will change the front, the hood, the back. Who knows.

[///M4ster Yoda]

Originally Posted by Rick955

I don't disagree with you... I kind of like that too. But BMW isn't going to do it so it appears that the aftermarketers are grinning right now and they see a whole lot of opportunity. I can only imagine how many different looks this car will have in a few years. With the F8x, even with all kinds of mods, you still knew it was an F8x. The G8x could be morphed into all kind of freakish iterations... people will change the front, the hood, the back. Who knows.

Why bother? Just get a better car. The S58 isn't that special anyway.

[VIERsr]

99% of the forum hates the new design, they said.
1% is all here maybe https://g80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1768389

[seis-speed]

Originally Posted by _RS4_

99% of the forum hates the new design, they said.
1% is all here maybe https://g80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1768389

I do not think everyone hates the car, but the front is big change to get used to, especially if you have owned many M-cars and like a certain 'subtle look' that they represent.

Being a hater and having an opinion on one specific item are two different things.

I love the side profile of the M3. I am extremely happy there is a manual!! That is the most important option for me.

My opinion has always been that The M5 style of grilles would look better, before launch, and I am hoping over time that the new grilles will win me over as I get used to it.

That opinion - M5 style of grilles would have been better, does not make me a hater, it is just my subjective opinion.

It would not keep me from buying the car, but it would lead me to get a darker color which I did not want to do since it hides the CF roof.

[jordan35i]

Originally Posted by Rick955

I don't disagree with you... I kind of like that too. But BMW isn't going to do it so it appears that the aftermarketers are grinning right now and they see a whole lot of opportunity. I can only imagine how many different looks this car will have in a few years. With the F8x, even with all kinds of mods, you still knew it was an F8x. The G8x could be morphed into all kind of freakish iterations... people will change the front, the hood, the back. Who knows.

Honestly it's going to be cool to see all the aftermarket interpretations

Sort of a JDM mesh into BMW.

Maybe BMW had this planned all along (/s)

[Jcali86]

Originally Posted by antzcrashing

Oh you live in a world in which your claimed intent to buy the car makes you an authority, cute

I like the car and am buying it; my opinion literally matters as I'll be spending money on it. If you're not buying something your opinion doesn't matter, you can write whatever sarcastic response you want; it won't change that fact. As an example I think Tesla's are garbage, but who cares as I'm not buying one, my opinion means nothing!

[six75LT]

Originally Posted by Rick955

Good lord. It is what it is! BMW doesn't give a rats ass what any of you think and they will still sell a crazy number of them. Us "purists" on this forum are a miniscule fraction of their audience, and, probably not even squarely in the crosshairs of their "target" audience. If you don't like it, then just let it go and find something else! Christ... the grill, the steering wheel, the hood, the bumper, the electronic dash... F'ing ridiculous.

not sure how you can be so confident saying that. companies release products that flop all the time, even ones the size of BMW.

[slowdown_dan]

Originally Posted by Jcali86

I like the car and am buying it; my opinion literally matters as I'll be spending money on it. If you're not buying something your opinion doesn't matter, you can write whatever sarcastic response you want; it won't change that fact. As an example I think Tesla's are garbage, but who cares as I'm not buying one, my opinion means nothing!

This is the most ridiculous logic I've heard in quite some time.

You can say as much by not spending your money as by spending it. Let's see how this might work out:

If everyone loves the new design=more than likely more cars will be sold.

If a lot of people do not like the new design and therefore spend their money with a competitor= less cars will be sold.

Last I checked, BMW was in the business of selling automobiles, among other things.

You can debate nuances to this simple logic, and say "BMW doesn't care what you think" but you're just saying things to say them. Relying on consumers to purchase your product will require a company to care, at least a little, what their consumer audience likes/dislikes.

[slowdown_dan]

It's impressive to me that there are people who can afford a 100k car (or at least say they can) and at the same time cannot follow basic supply/demand principles.

[Rick955]

Originally Posted by six75LT

not sure how you can be so confident saying that. companies release products that flop all the time, even ones the size of BMW.

I am not saying anything about being confident. My point is that BMW has invested years of time and work to get to this point. They're pretty damn good at it. Yes, it's true they make mistakes too, but my point was that everyone is getting heated with each other over opinions, one way or the other, this isn't going to change it... whether it is a huge hit, mediocre, or a flop won't change anything, at least not for some time to come. I don't love the front either but I'm not going to get all stressed out over it and into fights with other folks on this forum. If I hate it that much I'll just pass. When someone says they like something and someone else responds in turn with something negative or nasty because they don't feel that person should like it, that's where things just get over the top.

[Tigeroujimo]

IMHO, this is THE best looking front end I've seen on the thread... Sweet grille!

[DINMANN]

Originally Posted by Tigeroujimo

IMHO, this is THE best looking front end I've seen on the thread... Sweet grille!

[///Mcarfan]

Originally Posted by Rick955

My point is that BMW has invested years of time and work to get to this point. They're pretty damn good at it. Yes, it's true they make mistakes too, but my point was that everyone is getting heated with each other over opinions, one way or the other, this isn't going to change it... whether it is a huge hit, mediocre, or a flop won't change anything, at least not for some time to come.

It really depends on how much the execs are willing to put down their ego and listens to the majority of their customers.

GM is just as big and they were willing to change the front end of the latest Camaro because of the backlash with people voicing their displeasure.
So saying fans voicing their opinions definitely won't change anything is not entirely true.

What's absolutely true is that nothing will ever change if no one complained at all.
All this constructive criticism serves an important purpose.

I'll say it now, I will only consider the G82 if we get this aftermarket grill at launch, or if BMW change the design.

[VIERsr]

Originally Posted by Rick955

I am not saying anything about being confident. My point is that BMW has invested years of time and work to get to this point. They're pretty damn good at it. Yes, it's true they make mistakes too, but my point was that everyone is getting heated with each other over opinions, one way or the other, this isn't going to change it... whether it is a huge hit, mediocre, or a flop won't change anything, at least not for some time to come. I don't love the front either but I'm not going to get all stressed out over it and into fights with other folks on this forum. If I hate it that much I'll just pass. When someone says they like something and someone else responds in turn with something negative or nasty because they don't feel that person should like it, that's where things just get over the top.

That's why for example I ignore the X7 section on this forum, I strongly dislike that truck but I don't try to convince other people to change their mind, if you like it buy it, if you don't like it (like me) buy something else
I don't think my opinion matters that much to make BMW consider changing the look of the X7
Same for the fight M2 N55 vs M2C S55, everyone is okay with his own opinion and buys (or not!) what he wants.
But here seems like if you like the new design you have something wrong, and it's funny because the people who have seen these cars live can be counted on the fingers of one hand

PS cars are appreciated and sold in the real world, and the forum is not the real world

[M2PDX]

Originally Posted by butte2butte

It's impressive to me that there are people who can afford a 100k car (or at least say they can) and at the same time cannot follow basic supply/demand principles.

Exactly! I was thinking the very same thing!

[VetteGuy]

I’m not sure exactly how many M3 and M4 units were sold in any given year recently, but considering... a fair portion of this relatively small forum don’t totally hate the new look, and over 70% of new BMWs are leased, and since I suspect most buyers would still not significantly tamper with the OEM appearance, I question the cost of any complete facia swap. It seems unlikely that the cost of designing, producing, and marketing these aftermarket designs, at both a reasonable profit and a reasonable retail price, would be unrealistic. And, then the buyer needs to have the unit painted and installed so add $$$ to the swap.

It might sound good in a forum post with a photoshop, but when it comes down to actually delivering the product... would these really sell in sufficient numbers to do it?

[2011ninja]

Originally Posted by VetteGuy

I'm not sure exactly how many M3 and M4 units were sold in any given year recently, but considering... a fair portion of this relatively small forum don't totally hate the new look, and over 70% of new BMWs are leased, and since I suspect most buyers would still not significantly tamper with the OEM appearance, I question the cost of any complete facia swap. It seems unlikely that the cost of designing, producing, and marketing these aftermarket designs, at both a reasonable profit and a reasonable retail price, would be unrealistic. And, then the buyer needs to have the unit painted and installed so add $$$ to the swap.

It might sound good in a forum post with a photoshop, but when it comes down to actually delivering the product... would these really sell in sufficient numbers to do it?

Omg

Figured a low risk low cost solution

For every exterior color not black on the front grill

Just have the bottom half color matched of the exterior so only 1/2 the front grill looks black

Can some one photo shop a white exterior g80

Then photo shop the bottom 1/2 of the front grill white so only the top is black