[Jcali86]

You spend nearly all the time inside the car. The interior is a literal deal breaker and a giant iPad that looks like shit is not something I want to be looking at the entire time I'm inside. Even the grille haters don't have to see it if they don't want.

If the single wide gaming monitor look worked then Mercedes wouldn't be abandoning it?

[mkoesel]

Originally Posted by SW19

I assumed that in his reply to you he implied that it was obvious and the M cars will also get ID8.

I guess it could also mean that there is some ambiguity and he doesn’t know.

Actually, I did miss that reply somehow. Go figure.

Still, call me silly, but I do have the slightest shread of doubt that we'll actually see an M3 and M4 side-by-side in the showrooms for eight months with completely different dash board. The 3 Series and 4 Series I have no problem with. It's just that the M3 and M4 are marketed so closely as a team.

Anyway, I'm not inclined to belabor it, so I agree then:

G80 - 7/22
G81 - 11/22 (at its debut)
G82/G83 - 3/23

[Bumpinjeep]

Originally Posted by myfirstm

Do you think this is the reason or is it because dealers want msrp on the first models to drop and people pay thus creating a larger depreciation window for the first set of buyers?

I can't imagine dealerships wanting MSRP to drop nor can I imagine BMW corporate wanting MSRP to go down. Prices for cars will only increase due to many factors.
With regards to pricing, I don't think we will see a huge drop in MSRP at all, even if there is a LCI model in a year. Likely, it will stay the same or more, I mean, look at the C8. They may simply bundle more options into the standard price and have it go up a few grand. There's really no way to predict prices.
What i'm saying is that if you want the car now, go head and get it. Enjoy what you have and don't worry about what's coming. Its not like the LCI will bring a new motor (ahem, M2C).

[xlover]

Originally Posted by mkoesel

Actually, I did miss that reply somehow. Go figure.

Still, call me silly, but I do have the slightest shread of doubt that we'll actually see an M3 and M4 side-by-side in the showrooms for eight months with completely different dash board. The 3 Series and 4 Series I have no problem with. It's just that the M3 and M4 are marketed so closely as a team.

Anyway, I'm not inclined to belabor it, so I agree then:

G80 - 7/22
G81 - 11/22 (at its debut)
G82/G83 - 3/23

BMW has in the very recent past seemed much more comfortable with running changes ahead of or after LCI in order to keep products up to date (or partially up to date) vs the dogmatic LCI approach. I think we could see certain things like ID8 implemented at the same time even if technically before LCI for the M4. But I defer to the ynguldyn crystal ball

[Dr.Deep]

Originally Posted by mkoesel

That reliable source owns the thread in the OP, and here is what they've said about iD8:

Conclusions that can be made from this:

1) Contrary to your assertion, the 3 Series and 4 Series will not be getting this at the same time.

2) Nothing is firmly known so far about when the M3 Sedan and M4 will get this.

3) Although 2) is the case, the same source has mentioned that the M3 Touring will have iD8 when it launches in November 2022. This means one of the following is true:

a) Just the M3 Sedan will get iD8 at G80 LCI, while the M4 models will get it 3/23.
b) The M3 Sedan and M4 models will get iD8 at G80 LCI.
c) All M3/M4 will get iD8 November 2022.
d) The M3 models will get iD8 November 2022 while the M4 models will get it 3/23.
e) The M3 Sedan and M4 models will get iD8 after November 2022.
f) The M3 Sedan and M4 models will never get iD8 even though the M3 Touring does.
g) He lied! The M3 Touring won't actually get iD8 in November, nor will any M3/M4, and in fact they never will.

The last three are so unlikely as to be present only for completeness, particularly (f) which we could legitimately put at 0%.

Exactly! I had this post in mind

[Jimjamz]

Originally Posted by xlover

BMW has in the very recent past seemed much more comfortable with running changes ahead of or after LCI in order to keep products up to date (or partially up to date) vs the dogmatic LCI approach. I think we could see certain things like ID8 implemented at the same time even if technically before LCI for the M4. But I defer to the ynguldyn crystal ball

The M2 CS is running ID.6 despite ID.7 being out and now just being replaced with ID.8. The M3 and M4 will stay in lock step to the IDrive systems in their donor cars.

The only notable exception to this I can see in BMW's recent M history is the F80 M3 being launched with HUD when the F20 3 series only received it in the following year with the LCI refresh.

[mkoesel]

Originally Posted by xlover

BMW has in the very recent past seemed much more comfortable with running changes ahead of or after LCI in order to keep products up to date (or partially up to date) vs the dogmatic LCI approach. I think we could see certain things like ID8 implemented at the same time even if technically before LCI for the M4. But I defer to the ynguldyn crystal ball

Agree, but to be fair, his predicted 3/23 date is indeed a full year ahead of the G22/G23/G26/G82/G83 LCI.

[buckybadger]

Will there be any suspension or engine tuning in the first or second LCI?

[MKParris]

Originally Posted by buckybadger

Will there be any suspension or engine tuning in the first or second LCI?

Usually not, unless another model (CS, CSL) comes out. Since competition is out year one with a different engine tune, I would put the likelihood of this happening at almost 0.

[Gfit]

2020 showed us that not only is life short but we never know what's around the corner. I believe in enjoying life now (responsibly). Just like with all consumer products there will be something "better" next year, phones, appliances, tvs, etc. Get what you enjoy and can afford now I say. If you wait for the LCI then the new model will be on the horizon so then why not wait for that. It's a never ending cycle to get us to keep buying.

[AndroidRobot]

Originally Posted by frankiebones

Other than the S55 addition to the M2, the biggest change I've ever seen in an M model LCI is the addition of the M1 and M2 buttons to the M2C. The original M2 was my least favorite M car in many respects. The M2C is my favorite M cars in many respects.

What didn't you like about the OG M2 (2016-2018 MY)?

I think the G80 looks better with ID7 right now, at least the screen set up looks more tolerable. I'm all for new tech, it seems to take away from the sharp looks inside if they only change the displays

[V-Eight]

Originally Posted by Gfit

2020 showed us that not only is life short but we never know what's around the corner. I believe in enjoying life now (responsibly). Just like with all consumer products there will be something "better" next year, phones, appliances, tvs, etc. Get what you enjoy and can afford now I say. If you wait for the LCI then the new model will be on the horizon so then why not wait for that. It's a never ending cycle to get us to keep buying.

Totally agree with you. I bought the M140i as soon as it came out, ordered in august '16, delivered at the end of november '16. Then few months later, the new interior and infortaiment upgrade went out (and by the way, mine had the idrive 5 upgrade too compared to the 4 mounted on the 35i)....so I've waited for the M140i instead of buying the M135 LCI, and then the result was having the same "issue".

So now I've ordered the very first M3 Mxdrive that has been ordered here in Italy, being aware of the fact that the LCI will come out next year, but...at the same time, I'll enjoy myself with maybe a new car with "only" a slightly different taillight compared to the "future" LCI model; taillight that are easaly replaced with the latest one if you want.

If you wait for the LCI, you'll have the problem that one year and a half later, there will be the major front refresh, so that....if people looks at these things, or they can spend a lot of money buying and selling rapidly their cars, or they won't even appreciate anything they were able to buy, just because the "wait" for the new one.

I know that my car will be new, freshly made and something that will be difficult to be seen on the road for the first period, in its "little" it'll be something special to drive around. I prefer to have something unpublished, rather than having something "refreshed" but "already seen".

And, if you wait for the LCI, maybe (I'm saying maybe) who know that it will loose its full ICE powertrain? And if they upgrade it to mild hybrid something? Would you loose to occasion to have the opportunity to own something that suits you NOW just because of a tailight or a wide screen due to arrive next year?

I agree with Gfit, buy what you can experience NOW, and don't care about LCI's, refreshes, restyling or stupid things like them. We have only one life, we often forget that the time wasted won't never be given back to us.

[buckybadger]

Originally Posted by frankiebones

Other than the S55 addition to the M2, the biggest change I've ever seen in an M model LCI is the addition of the M1 and M2 buttons to the M2C. The original M2 was my least favorite M car in many respects. The M2C is my favorite M cars in many respects.

M2C suspension was very well tuned as well.

[buckybadger]

Will there be a second M3C LCI? And can we expect major changes? How long will the second LCI run for? 1 or 2 years?

[V-Eight]

the M3 G80 LCI will end its production on october 2025.

If you look....just 4 years left. I repeat myself telling you all guys not to look at LCI's, refreshes, ID8 or something else. If you want a G80/82 and can afford it, go buy it NOW.

Then there will be other stupid things (to me) as the new GSR24 (great safety regulations 2024) that will add even more electrical controls and safety systems to our cars, limiting even more our driving experience.

I don't know if these systems can be disabled as it is today, but for sure, we will have the nose of the car covered by cameras, sensors and radars...more than they are today.

And don't forget that also the USA wants to reduce drastically the Co2 and pollution emissions, so it's probable that also the OPF will appear to your cars in the next future.

I'm enclosing below what it means.

07/2019 New General Safety Regulation enters into force next month
Yesterday, the revised General Safety Regulation was published in the EU’s Official Journal. The regulation will make obligatory a list of safety measures for various vehicle classes over the coming years, such as tyre-pressure monitoring systems, advanced emergency braking, lane-keeping systems, and intelligent speed adaptation. According to the impact assessment accompanying the legislation, over 16 years, the revised GSR is expected to reduce the number of road casualties by 24,794, avoid 140,740 serious injuries, and provide an overall net benefit for society of €15.4 bn, considering lives saved and additional costs.

This last step marks the end of the legislative procedure, and finally gives the exact dates of application:

Safety measures marked as “A” in Annex II will become mandatory on 6 July 2022 for all types. This includes intelligent speed assistance, lane departure warning, tyre pressure monitoring systems for cars, and advanced emergency braking systems for trucks and buses.
“B” measures as of 7 July 2024 for existing types (6 July 2022 for new types). This includes emergency lane keeping systems, tyre pressure monitoring systems for vans, trucks, and buses, advanced emergency braking systems for cars and vans, and event data recorders.
“C” measures as of 7 July 2026 for existing types (7 July 2024 for new types). This includes advanced distraction recognition, and advanced emergency braking for pedestrians/cyclists.
Heavy-duty vehicle direct vision, the only measure marked as “D,” will become mandatory on 7 January 2029 for existing types (7 January 2026 for new types).

[Jimjamz]

Let's be clear. The sweet spot here is going to be a LCI G81 AWD Competition Touring. I will probably like the LCI's ID8 so not worried about that. If the steering wheel is some flat bottomed monstrosity I will just got for a MPE gloss carbon upgrade.

Test driving a G80 this weekend and if the ZF8 isn't atrocious I'm putting money down on the touring for next year to swap out the X4. The dealership we're visiting north of sydney has 7 deposits down already for the G81.

[mkoesel]

Originally Posted by buckybadger

Will there be a second M3C LCI? And can we expect major changes? How long will the second LCI run for? 1 or 2 years?

https://g80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh...5#post27000915

[mkoesel]

Originally Posted by Jimjamz

Test driving a G80 this weekend and if the ZF8 isn't atrocious I'm putting money down on the touring for next year to swap out the X4.

Let's assume for a moment that the ZF8 is atrocious.

So, I'm trying to follow - you're saying it's okay to have an atrocious transmission in a 5000 Lb SUV with 380hp, but not in a 4000 Lb wagon with 500hp?

[heavyD^2]

I wonder if BMW may add the 48V generator to G8x LCI? Doesn't appear to have made it to the X3/X4M.

[Der_Wolf]

Originally Posted by heavyD^2

I wonder if BMW may add the 48V generator to G8x LCI? Doesn't appear to have made it to the X3/X4M.

I hope not but I wouldn't be surprised

[vj123]

Originally Posted by heavyD^2

I wonder if BMW may add the 48V generator to G8x LCI? .

I wish thats not the case.

I doubt if BMW will make a significant powetrain update during LCI and also when only few MYs would be left in this platform, unless they are not meeting significant government regulations like what happened during F87 LCI.

[buckybadger]

Originally Posted by vj123

I wish thats not the case.

I doubt if BMW will make a significant powetrain update during LCI and also when only few MYs would be left in this platform, unless they are not meeting significant government regulations like what happened during F87 LCI.

They will probably tune the suspension and chassis in LCI #2.