[rideontwo]

Originally Posted by THEROK

If I were in my 20s I'd totally rock a Type R. I love its unapologetic looks and the drive exp is awesome.

Bizarre combination of cars to test.

Agreed, the CTR is a phenomenal value for what you get. The chassis dynamics are great. The turn in bonkers for a car at this price, the LSD works great, the brakes are good. The biggest down side is the boy racer look and interior, but that's expected at this price level.

FWD though

[aaaaah]

Originally Posted by Teutonic

I owned Toyota and is just a simple car with mediocre materials that always use old technology to preserve the reliability image. Germans are different.

You're right, the Germans use the latest and greatest technology and materials to preserve their unreliable image.

Wait, was that not the point you were making?

[dazzapb]

the m3 lap time is mega when you look at the track it looks damp.

Perhaps the M xdrive will also improve the time further.

Stolen from the comments:

M3 43.9s
A45 44.9s
Civic Type R 47.1s (against the Yaris), 45.6s (this video)
Alfa 44.4s
M5 45.7s
RS6 46s
GTI 48.8s
GR Yaris 47.9s
Cayman GTS 45.9s
Alpine A 110s 47.4s

[heavyD^2]

Originally Posted by TheStanman

A Porsche Boxster and Jeep Wrangler are cross-shopper a shocking amount.

What a conundrum. Porsche or junk. Decisions, decisions.

[heavyD^2]

Originally Posted by aaaaah

You're right, the Germans use the latest and greatest technology and materials to preserve their unreliable image.

Wait, was that not the point you were making?

I'm pretty sure BMW has been doing better than average according to both Consumer Reports and JD power in regards to reliability the past few years. The poster does have a point when it comes to Toyota preserving their reliability image as almost all their vehicles have been using MPI until only recently. Even Mazda was utilizing DI technology 15 years ago. They are low tech, mediocre vehicles but they are dependable and to most consumers that's enough. We on enthusiast forums aren't most consumers so to me their vehicles just don't cut it. That said I would purchase a Yaris GR if they were available in this market as it reminds me of my old EVO's and STI's and looks like it would be a fantastic little city runabout.

[DC2RtoCT9Atof87]

Originally Posted by stevehifi

I test drove a civic type R just for the heck of it, it was so slow in acceleration, and understeered/torque steered so bad I was done with the test drive in 5min.

have no idea of why anyone would consider that car compared to a 500 hp G80... utterly ridiculous.

You're about the only person who claims the CTR understeers "so bad" or complain that it's "so slow". It ain't fast in a straight line, but by no means is it slow.

Anyway, G80 is a beast. I'll wait for a CS variant.

[FCX5]

Originally Posted by THEROK

If I were in my 20s I'd totally rock a Type R. I love its unapologetic looks and the drive exp is awesome.

In my 20s I drove an Integra Type R. Bought it new, kept it for 10 years. Only sold it when we had a daughter. Still, one of my favorite fun cars, and it held its value incredibly well too. Still, at the time, I wasn't cross-shopping it with an M3 because of FWD vs RWD.