[GixY2K]

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So, this is what I was waiting for. Not too surprised with the results, since IMO, the GTR is now GREAT for 800tq or grater, which takes a nice chunk of money and deep pockets to achieve. S58, is now IMO, the new FBO/e85 and below king. Again, just my opinion.

Note: the title says "GTR FBO/e85", even though in the movie clip they have it as "bolt ons/e85". However, I know what it takes to go e85 on a GTR, so might as well call it FBO, without splitting hairs...

[Grumpy514]

This was posted...probably in the wrong section but already being discussed.

https://g80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh...php?p=28550403


The G80 is running on Tune + E50 during these races...so not exactly "Tune Only"

[Babayaga M3]

The Blue GTR is a friend of ours and is Full Bolt Ons and e85, the black one was also at the meet and claimed FBO E85 as well.

M3 is full weight tune only nothing else done

Originally Posted by GixY2K

So, this is what I was waiting for. Not too surprised with the results, since IMO, the GTR is now GREAT for 800tq or grater, which takes a nice chunk of money and deep pockets to achieve. S58, is now IMO, the new FBO/e85 and below king. Again, just my opinion.

Note: the title says "GTR FBO/e85", even though in the movie clip they have it as "bolt ons/e85". However, I know what it takes to go e85 on a GTR, so might as well call it FBO, without splitting hairs...

[GixY2K]

Originally Posted by Babayaga M3

The Blue GTR is a friend of ours and is Full Bolt Ons and e85, the black one was also at the meet and claimed FBO E85 as well.

M3 is full weight tune only nothing else done

Cool! Is this CA?

Now I would love to see a well-tuned JB4 S58 go against a FBO/e85 GTR. I'm still not convinced that going Vis-Fem to unlock the DME is the best "Return on Investment" when it comes to least expensive/most reliable HP on the S58 platform.

[Grumpy514]

Originally Posted by Babayaga M3

The Blue GTR is a friend of ours and is Full Bolt Ons and e85, the black one was also at the meet and claimed FBO E85 as well.

M3 is full weight tune only nothing else done

So the M3 was full weight on 93 pump?


The tuner said it was on E50 which makes a HUGE difference. Don't understand how people are leaving that out like it doesn't change anything. If that were the case there's really no point in stating the GTR was E85 either, just leave that up to guessing.


Ethanol is a power maker, it doesn't make sense how people are mentioning it with one car but not the other. Supporting mods to run E is irrelevant. Supporting fueling mods don't gain power, the Ethanol gains the power.

[G MONEY]

This story would have been way cooler if we were talking about this in 2015 with the F series beating a car that was 6 years older at the time. Just don't see why there would be all this amazement that after 11-12 years the M 3/4 is now on par with a GTR. 🤷🏽*♂️

[GixY2K]

Originally Posted by G MONEY

This story would have been way cooler if we were talking about this in 2015 with the F series beating a car that was 6 years older at the time. Just don't see why there would be all this amazement that after 11-12 years the M 3/4 is now on par with a GTR. 🤷🏽*♂️

I think, because the GTR has been the measuring stick, on the street and on races like the Airstrip Attack, that all other cars compare themselves against. It is still a very capable and reliable platform. Unfortunately, 1.5x to 2x the cost of an G80/G82.

[02M3ForMe]

Originally Posted by G MONEY

This story would have been way cooler if we were talking about this in 2015 with the F series beating a car that was 6 years older at the time. Just don't see why there would be all this amazement that after 11-12 years the M 3/4 is now on par with a GTR. 🤷🏽*♂️

They still sell GTRs today and they’re still way more expensive than M3/4 despite the M cars being much higher quality with better materials and supported by a higher end service network.

That a $75k BMW that’s also available with 4 doors beats a focused $120k Nissan while still being the higher quality product overall is a big deal.

I don’t think anyone expected a $65-70k F8x to beat a $110k GTR in 2014-2015.

[G MONEY]

Originally Posted by 02M3ForMe

They still sell GTRs today and they’re still way more expensive than M3/4 despite the M cars being much higher quality with better materials and supported by a higher end service network.

That a $75k BMW that’s also available with 4 doors beats a focused $120k Nissan while still being the higher quality product overall is a big deal.

I don’t think anyone expected a $65-70k F8x to beat a $110k GTR in 2014-2015.

Not always about the money bud. Just saying, the GTR was out for 6 years before the F cars came out and where not on the same planet as the Nissan. Now, 12 years later the 2021-22 G cars are the same speed as the 2012 GTR. Just seems like it took forever. Happy they are finally there and seem to have a ton of potential. Better late then never they say😘

[02M3ForMe]

Originally Posted by G MONEY

Not always about the money bud. Just saying, the GTR was out for 6 years before the F cars came out and where not on the same planet as the Nissan. Now, 12 years later the 2021-22 G cars are the same speed as the 2012 GTR. Just seems like it took forever. Happy they are finally there and seem to have a ton of potential. Better late then never they say😘

Of course it’s about the money. If an M3/4 was designed from scratch with a $110k base price in mind, no doubt BMW M would’ve aimed much higher with the performance. You can’t expect a $75k product from a luxury/high end brand to match a focused $110k machine from a company that spends almost nothing on luxury or comfort or materials. That the cheaper (!) BMW with nothing more than a good tune destroys a $110k 2022 GTR without stripping out any of the comfort or luxury is a big deal.

The only people who say it’s nothing special are GTR owners.

[G MONEY]

Originally Posted by 02M3ForMe

Of course it’s about the money. If an M3/4 was designed from scratch with a $110k base price in mind, no doubt BMW M would’ve aimed much higher with the performance. You can’t expect a $75k product from a luxury/high end brand to match a focused $110k machine from a company that spends almost nothing on luxury or comfort or materials. That the cheaper (!) BMW with nothing more than a good tune destroys a $110k 2022 GTR without stripping out any of the comfort or luxury is a big deal.

The only people who say it’s nothing special are GTR owners.

BMW is high end Luxury? Ok, have a great night ninja. BMW 4 life baby

[02M3ForMe]

Originally Posted by G MONEY

BMW is high end Luxury? Ok, have a great night ninja. BMW 4 life baby

Compared to Nissan, home of the Versa, absolutely. Stepped in a dealership lately?

[G MONEY]

Originally Posted by 02M3ForMe

Compared to Nissan, home of the Versa, absolutely. Stepped in a dealership lately?

Sorry bud. I don't put BMW on my high end. Have had 4 M cars and never thought they were in that category. It's all good though. I love my M4. It's a fun daily driver.

[02M3ForMe]

Originally Posted by G MONEY

Sorry bud. I don't put BMW on my high end. Have had 4 M cars and never thought they were in that category. It's all good though. I love my M4. It's a fun daily driver.

Dude stepped into Manhattan Motorcars once and lost all sense of perspective

Yes, I have Instagram too and know what “real” luxury brands are like. We’re talking Nissan vs. BMW here. A reasonable person would expect a BMW that performed like a GTR to cost a whole lot more than $75k base, that’s why everyone’s excited and impressed.

[Patton250]

Originally Posted by 02M3ForMe

Dude stepped into Manhattan Motorcars once and lost all sense of perspective

Yes, I have Instagram too and know what “real” luxury brands are like. We’re talking Nissan vs. BMW here. A reasonable person would expect a BMW that performed like a GTR to cost a whole lot more than $75k base, that’s why everyone’s excited and impressed.

I always thought of Mercedes-Benz, BMW and Audi as luxury cars. They aren’t? Are you guys trying to confuse me? What defines a luxury car then? I drive a fully loaded Toyota Camry for work. Mostly because of the gas mileage but it’s my choice to drive that car. It’s very nice. It’s not even remotely close to the same quality as my G80. I wouldn’t even think of comparing the two. And I’m telling you the Camry is decked out. So what is a luxury car @G MONEY ?

[02M3ForMe]

Originally Posted by Patton250

I always thought of Mercedes-Benz, BMW and Audi as luxury cars. They aren’t? Are you guys trying to confuse me? What defines a luxury car then? I drive a fully loaded Toyota Camry for work. Mostly because of the gas mileage but it’s my choice to drive that car. It’s very nice. It’s not even remotely close to the same quality as my G80. I wouldn’t even think of comparing the two. And I’m telling you the Camry is decked out. So what is a luxury car @G MONEY ?

BMW, Benz, and Audi in the USA are absolutely premium brands with the products and sales/service experiences to match. Saying otherwise is just useless flexing.

[G MONEY]

Originally Posted by 02M3ForMe

BMW, Benz, and Audi in the USA are absolutely premium brands with the products and sales/service experiences to match. Saying otherwise is just useless flexing.

So you went from HIGH end to now premium? I will agree with you, those 3 brands are premium. High end, they are not. Maybe we just use the terms differently. No need to get your blood pressure up homie. My perspective:

Acme Brand. Premium. High End
Motel 8. Marriott. 4 Seasons

New Balance. Nike. Prada

Timex. Tag. Rolex

Kia Stinger. M 3/4. Panamera Turbo

[G MONEY]

Originally Posted by Patton250

I always thought of Mercedes-Benz, BMW and Audi as luxury cars. They aren't? Are you guys trying to confuse me? What defines a luxury car then? I drive a fully loaded Toyota Camry for work. Mostly because of the gas mileage but it's my choice to drive that car. It's very nice. It's not even remotely close to the same quality as my G80. I wouldn't even think of comparing the two. And I'm telling you the Camry is decked out. So what is a luxury car @G MONEY ?

Camry is a very nice car!! There are a bunch of nice cars that are not high end. I've never bought a car for the refinement/luxury. I buy it for how it drives. All the M cars I've had, could have the low end interior and I still would have bought them. It's nice they are comfy and a blast to drive. I drive an F-150 for work everyday. Now that is a high end Pick -up🤥🤣

[Patton250]

Originally Posted by G MONEY

Camry is a very nice car!! There are a bunch of nice cars that are not high end. I've never bought a car for the refinement/luxury. I buy it for how it drives. All the M cars I've had, could have the low end interior and I still would have bought them. It's nice they are comfy and a blast to drive. I drive an F-150 for work everyday. Now that is a high end Pick -up🤥🤣

Well bro a fully decked out M8 costs 150K plus. I have sat in one. It’s pretty luxurious. It was a hell of a lot nicer inside than my buddies McLaren. Just saying. Here’s my comparisons

New balance, Nike, Ferragamo/Tods/, Berluti

Timex, Oris/Hamilton, Tag, Rolex/omega/Breitling, Patek/AP/ VC

Kia, Hyundai, Honda/Toyota, Mercedes/BMW/Audi, Porsche, Lamborghini/McLaren/Ferrari

To me BMW, Mercedes and Audi are the same level as Rolex, breitling and Audi.

While Lamborghini, McLaren and Ferrari are equivalent to Patek, AP, RM and VC.

Rolex, Omega and Breitling Orlando are considered luxury timepieces.

Of course this is all subjective but not many people are going to buy a Ferrari level car. So to only consider this level of vehicle to be luxury makes zero sense to me personally.

[GixY2K]

Wow, this thread took the wrong turn at Albuquerque

One thing I'm waiting to see, is how fast the M4/M3 xDrive can go around the "RING" with prep'd tires and a quality racer in it.
Right now, according to Autoevolution.com:
The old F82 M4 had a time of 7:52
New G80 RWD managed: 7:30 (stock tires)
The old GTS F82 killed it with: 7:28
And the CS variant went: 7:38
(Nismo GTR 7:08 - as reference)

I think AWD will allow for early exits out of the turns and yield faster times.

[TrentMeister]

We got G money the hype beast telling us what's what😂

[G MONEY]

Originally Posted by TrentMeister

We got G money the hype beast telling us what's what😂

Ha ha. Back to the topic. My head is spinning. I'm tying up my Keds sneakers and hopping into my Kia Santa-fe and heading to the dollar store for this weeks groceries🤟🏻. Lol. Love you all