[jmg]

Originally Posted by nicksm3

2019 M3 CS - 3,483 lbs
2023 M3 CS - 3,915 lbs

Yes.....we are certainly headed in the right direction...unreal.

That weight was incorrect, but google infuriatingly shows that as the top hit. The F80 M3 CS was around 3604lbs.

When I weighed my F80 M3 CS it was 3655lbs with a full tank and MPE.

I weighed my G82 M4 Competition X-Drive on the exact same scales and it came in at 3891lbs with a half tank of gas.

So that’s a 236lb difference compared to a RWD M3 CS with a lighter titanium exhaust and a full tank. The math is too complicated, but it goes to show that the F80 M3 CS isn’t as light as you think it is.

Taking all that in consideration, yes, the G80 M3 CS will be heavier than the F80 M3 CS, but only by about 260ish lbs. given it also has the 90-ish lb. X-Drive system, which imho is a great trade off in weight, it’s not nearly as bad as the 432lb difference you posted.

I’m a advocate of lighter is better, but given the trend of cars getting bigger and more complicated, the fact that BMW has managed to make the G8X actually better handling than its lighter predecessor, the F80, we should be a tad more understanding. After all, besides the F80, every generation of M3 has been heavier than it’s predecessor. I thought the F80 was the limit on size and weight, but the G80 convinced me otherwise. Time will tell if BMW continues in this direction.

[jmg]

Originally Posted by MachinesWithSouls

I’m going to add one other thing.

If BMW came to my house in the middle of the night and swapped my base model for this car, I’d be genuinely upset.

Aside from the limiting color specs, it’s still has the same issues any stock G8X does: too high and too quiet. Seems odd not to fix those on a car as hard core as this markets. Is it so hard to put the M Performancr suspension on? I digress.

Now that I’ve started to modify mine and make the car better suited to my taste, I’d have a hard time going back. Titanium exhaust or not.

It was the same for the F80 M3 CS. I added the MPHAS and MPE once I took delivery. It’s how the car should have come. However, ALL G8X’s are too high and too quiet. If they wanted to swap my G82 when it was stock to a theoretical M4 CS, why not? The CF Hood alone is worth it.

[RPM33]

Originally Posted by ScullyD

jUsT A tUnE aNd sOmE cArBon bItS

This does seem to be true. I remember when I purchased my M2 CS two years ago, it came with a M2 Competition instruction manual.

This M3 CS seems like a tuned M3 xDrive Competition.

[Forzanerazzurri]

I gotta say, that video BMW M put out is probably the coolest video I've ever seen a car manufacturer make. The part where the car comes flying over the hill is straight . Incredible videography in that video.

[NathObeaN]

How much do we want to bet the CSL will now be what the CS should have been. This trick is getting boring BMW.

M = first edition with things held back.
CS = what M should have been.
CSL = what CS should have been.
GTS? = what CSL should have been.

Just go back to the original methodology, and stop trying to rip us off, please?

[Jimjamz]

Beautiful car. Transmission kills it at this price point for me. Manual or DCT would have nailed it.

[Mani59]

The configurator is now available at BMW UK:

https://configure.bmw.co.uk/en_GB/co...?expanded=true

[Bucheeri90]

I just dont know why BMW M don’t give us a good looking lowered car, why the huge gap , im not saying completely droped but something nice

[Art__Vandelay]

Lovely

[DocWeatherington]

Originally Posted by functimonious

Hope it comes with the M3CS lease specials from the last generation — those were great!

Unlikely in this market, expect markups ...

[DocWeatherington]

Originally Posted by BenJ

While I enjoy the new models and options available with the M3, I just can't help but think that this car is a standard x-drive with a tune and some cosmetic changes; limited, yes, retain value better than standard M3, sure, but just not that exciting. The cosmetic changes just make the car look too busy. And a 75lbs savings...I mean, throw a set of lightweight wheels and a new exhaust and you're pretty much there with a X-Drive M3.

The question will be how much software and suspension geometry tuning did they do.

It's not an apples to apples comparison until we get one. Similar to how the change of the m5c vs m5cs

[Art__Vandelay]

Originally Posted by G80eek

Already on the configurator in Switzerland:
https://configure.bmw.ch/de_CH/configure/G80/61AY/FX3AT

Ouch, almost CHF 190'000 (over 200'000 USD). And we don't even have high taxes here, so they once again skim a nice margin.

[playswcars]

Originally Posted by Art__Vandelay

Ouch, almost CHF 190'000 (over 200'000 USD). And we don't even have high taxes here, so they once again skim a nice margin.

Add in CCB, and I come out at 206k...


That's firmly in Porsche GT3 territory and 60k more than my M3 xDrive was

[Art__Vandelay]

Originally Posted by playswcars

Add in CCB, and I come out at 206k...


That's firmly in Porsche GT3 territory and 60k more than my M3 xDrive was

Okay, not quite GT3 territory since my 4S build would be about CHF 210'000, but that's definitely a lot of money.

[MadBimmeRad]

Originally Posted by playswcars

Add in CCB, and I come out at 206k...


That's firmly in Porsche GT3 territory and 60k more than my M3 xDrive was

It's going to "start" at $250k in Australia (USD$175K) add CCB and on road costs and it'll rise to almost $280k (USD$200K)

[Bahn360Photo]

Amazing car!

Rear seats are just plain, why not make them similar to m5 cs, sort of bucket and looking way better the standard bench looking

[Matt@Evolve]

It will be very interesting to see if this M3 CS drives similar to the M4 CSL, which is surprisingly different to a regular G8x.

[Jimjamz]

Originally Posted by MadBimmeRad

It's going to "start" at $250k in Australia (USD$175K) add CCB and on road costs and it'll rise to almost $280k (USD$200K)

Wow! Makes our M2CS’ look like the CS bargains of the century. That’s $100k AUD (70k USD) for a 0.1 second to 100kmh improvement, suspension and interior upgrades and arguably a lesser transmission to the manual. It will need to pull an Avatar 2 to justify this. Still, don’t underestimate their engineers at this point (not so much their designers

[JustChris]

Great option if it fits the bill. Just 75lbs saved though, hmm.

I’m curious with each CS or CSL released.
Why do none of the cars come with what is retailed by BMW as the M Performace exhaust? This CS has Ti and bespoke but is it not a bit damming of that product line it’s never included but other CF parts and steering wheel are etc. (No matter what we think about the aesthetics of the M Performace set up).

[MadBimmeRad]

Originally Posted by Jimjamz

Wow! Makes our M2CS’ look like the CS bargains of the century. That’s $100k AUD (70k USD) for a 0.1 second to 100kmh improvement, suspension and interior upgrades and arguably a lesser transmission to the manual. It will need to pull an Avatar 2 to justify this. Still, don’t underestimate their engineers at this point (not so much their designers

Don't it just?

Although, it's not 0.1 second Delta; it's a whole second from memory 😉

[PLF69]

Originally Posted by Matt@Evolve

It will be very interesting to see if this M3 CS drives similar to the M4 CSL, which is surprisingly different to a regular G8x.

One of the big questions, trying to imagine the CSL with 230lbs more and AWD, it surely can't be the same but might be just a "better" comp..

At 140$CAD + luxury tax + taxes that's in the 170+ region without PPF etc. it's a full pass for me, I'll just put MP HAS on the 6mt I ordered for around 115k taxes in all included.

[Randy Johnson]

Still ugly and way overpriced!