[aaaaah]

*Feverishly tries to get back into the dream that had me cross shopping a B3 Touring vs an M3 Touring*

I wish people would stop latching onto whatever the current buzzword is like it's a big deal. Besides, none of these rabidly followed, carefully manufactured culture wars matter if we just ignore burning the planet down.

[RugbyBro]

LMFAO this thread

[MadBimmeRad]

Originally Posted by DM5PAV

Thanks,
I don’t mean to bother anyone or hurt anyone’s feelings. I’ve enjoyed your posts too. I enjoy a lot of people’s posts here.

I try to argue points, not people.
If I stray from that, please tell me. Now, if someone throws shade at me, I throw it back. But, if you see me out of the blue attacking a person rather than a view point I’d like you to point it out. I hope that I haven’t ever done that. Maybe we’re missing each other’s intent from time to time because I don’t have any hostility at all towards any of you. Conversations are debates, and debates are arguments where you learn truths, hopefully.

It would be so much easier to talk in person and then everyone would know that almost everything I write is with a smile on my face and a chuckle. Sometimes I’m a bit verbose, sometimes a lot to be honest, but what can I say?

I can’t change anyone’s mind with anything I write, but I think it’s the correct thing to do to speak openly against the current woke philosophy as frequently and truthfully as I can. It’s causing so much havoc in our world. On nearly all fronts, I don’t think we are headed in the right direction. People have been saying that for a long time, but it feels different to me now.

There are many experiences I’ve had in my short life due to woke ideology, before I even knew what it was called. Top Gear, Clarkson, The BBC… it’s all a part of it. A small part, but nonetheless. I actually really enjoyed Top Gear when those 3 were doing the show and I’m glad Amazon gave them another platform although I hear that’s ending.

Anyway, if you see me [...]

I was born in the 60s. My teenage years were in the 80s and everyday I wish we could go back to those days.

Were there travesties back then? You bet your arse there were. Were there unjust, unfair social norms? Absolutely.

However, as opposed to today, nobody was forced to be one way or another to a large degree.

As a people, as a race, as a society, we should respect one another as a matter of course not as a matter of force.

Pushing 99% of decent folks, who exercise that way of life ordinarily, to be anything other than themselves is the greatest tragedy and travesty in itself.

I hear you and agree with you my friend and wish you nothing but joy (especially behind the wheels of many many Ms).

If you haven't heard of him, I thoroughly recommend you check out Jim Jeffries (High & Dry) on Netflix (he's an Australian comedian who lives in LA)

He'll have you in stitches

https://www.netflix.com/au/title/814...&clip=81671754

Enjoy my friend

[Forzanerazzurri]

Eh, DM5PAV may be a dick, but he's bang on here.

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by DM5PAV

There will never be another top gear, because clarkson and co. were the show, not the other way around. They were right pricks at times, but they were also damn funny and genuine people who you could relate to, humorous and lovable churls who just wanted to fuck around in fast cars.

Never did I ever think that anything said by Clarkson and co was said with the intent of harming someone or some thing. Intent is key. The reason that modern society is warm shit on a plate is that intent has been made invisible in the woke religion.

We all have to watch, listen, read things we disagree with lol. What makes you think that has anything to do with woke being shit?
It doesn’t.

Woke is shit because, it’s shit.
It’s all bullshit. As in, it’s 100% lies.

The majority of people do not want to hurt you, regardless of your skin color. If they happen to say something which offends you, then perhaps you (or anyone for that matter) should gauge their intent and let it roll off your back like all the rest of us have to do when someone or some thing inadvertently steps on our toes by accident. Woke is boring as fuck. It’s sterile.
Dead.

It’s a religion run by morons.

It goes without saying that anyone who actually is a racist or bigot or misogynist can kiss our collective ass. How do you think we got to this horrible point in history lol?

It’s OBVIOUS we care about all people, otherwise we wouldn’t be in the shitty cultural climate we are in where all anyone does in public is apologize endlessly and grovel for forgiveness at their being born.

Western Civ’s history is the history of white people, and it is quite clear that western civ is willing to implode itself rather than accidentally use a word that might offend a single brown, gay, cripple, mental incompetent, female turned male or vice versa person ever again - even by accident lmao!

Did you not see that liberal’s Open AI Chat GPT-3 would let millions of people die rather than use one racial slur that might offend someone?

It’s a true fucking nightmare this ideology.

I do somewhat feel bad for people wrongly affected by the current cultural climate, and there are a lot of them, but at the same time people are going to have to figure out who their real friends are. If you as a minority think that woke white liberals are your friends and I am your enemy, ok.
Good luck to your children.

The only thing woke is really doing to me is harming my entertainment. I find that annoying but not life shattering.

If you think your child’s sex is interchangeable, that math is racist, that achievement and egalitarianism is white supremacy… good luck.

I’ll point out to you that nowhere else on Earth is doing what western civ is doing, which is destroying itself in an effort to become completely sterile, completely devoid of all cultural idiosyncrasies, completely devoid of tragedy and humor in a classical sense, in an effort to become completely inoffensive to anyone (except itself, of course… cause no one gives a damn what some poor white schmuck thinks or wants and they aren’t afraid to insult that category of person because it is perfectly acceptable to do so).

Woke is fake. White people have demonstrably shitty lives, the majority of them. Yet, woke acts like they are all kings and queens looking down on the little minority people with disdain. What a crock of shit. The vast, vast majority of white people treat everyone the same. There’s a great argument to made that whites in general are just shitty people ha ha, but you’ll never get a thinking human to actually believe anything woke is real. I think most normal people are just waiting for the fad to die out and the liberals to get bored of their new pets.

I imagine that statement offends you, but that is how liberals treat minorities, like pets. Please try to find the intent, as the barb is not pointed at you.

I will say that I don’t find you offensive at all, or anything you said offensive at all. I don’t agree with it and I think woke is a plague that stands to destroy the world, but I don’t find you offensive at all.

I find woke white liberals offensive and wish them nothing but a long walk off a short pier because they are turning the world to shit. They turned the BBC to shit. They turned Top Gear to shit. They are turning cars in general to shit. They are coming for meat, housing, children… they just want to destroy everything.

I’ve met a handful of actual racists my whole life, a handful. The liberals are changing nothing by the way for actual racists, but they are destroying the world for everyone else. Actual racists and bigots already were ostracized and largely kicked out of society and made their own little camps. Nothing has changed for them.

Now, women (as much as they drive me insane) actually have a valid complaint against misogyny in this world since they are treated like trash… and the wokesters answer to this is, just make men women. Let’s make women not exist.

There, problem solved!


Woke is the most hypocritical bullshit ideology ever invented. It constantly lies to itself and everyone in it 24/7 (only white people are racist, you can be the opposite sex, the world is ending due to petroleum, etc, etc...) Anything that goes against the woke ideology is instantly labeled racist, bigoted, and burned at the stake. There are no exceptions. Eventually they are going to start shooting themselves in a circular firing squad. Humor will return on that day.

If this is the sort of society you want so that you can ensure you are never offended. Have at it. It’s all yours. I never liked cities anyway, truly. I think they suck.

Back to the show…
Clarkson and co sold image, not cars. Watch the grand tour and tell me that you don’t want whatever car they featured that week. I sure did. They loved vehicles. They were honest, for the most part on what they did and didn’t like and I greatly enjoyed watching them have fun. It would not matter to me in the least if all the new Top Gear hosts were black as night as long as they were funny and loved cars and made me want to be with them while they explored the vehicles on the show. That’s all I want from Top Gear.

But that’ll never happen since the BBC is infested with Wokesters who are afraid of calling their own shadow black, and nothing is as unfunny as fear and timidity. Wokesters are riddled with it. Everything they touch turns to shit.

Modern society is a parade of idiots all patting each other on the back and Top Gear is no different. Chris Harris ought to dump Top Gear and just do his own thing. It’s dead, you’re right about that.

I don’t agree on woke though, that shit is poison.

Judging by this text as a reply to the question "Write me a brief essay about Chris Harris who drove the BMW G81 M3 Touring for a Top Gear review", ChatGPT still needs quite some fine tuning.

[Teutonic]

Originally Posted by MadBimmeRad

When I see a dickhead on the road doing dumb shit, and honk in protest, my 21yo son says, "Do you think you made him a better driver by just honking him? No, you just made yourself angry for nothing".

He has a very valid point.

Tell your son that your behaviour is a signal to the idiot that his acts are not welcome. If more people will do it, will probably lead to an introspection or at least a change of behaviour.
Also tell your son that by refraining on being you and contributing to the society is one big mistake that will allow these individuals tu run his society and transform it in something unnatural. (See today).
Passive attitude and Indifference are enemy nr.1 of the society.

[Jobe10]

Originally Posted by JK479

Actually no. Nuance is subtle and implied. Think about how “speed” is achieved. Think of the big picture. Then get back to me 🙄

It was you who was not seeing it as a "big picture" since you say that's the "only difference". If, like you suggest, it's everyhing to achieve the speed, than it's a completely different car, witch doenst make it a small difference, and witch makes your statement irrelevant.

[Vishal50028]

Originally Posted by MadBimmeRad

I was born in the 60s. My teenage years were in the 80s and everyday I wish we could go back to those days.

Were there travesties back then? You bet your arse there were. Were there unjust, unfair social norms? Absolutely.

However, as opposed to today, nobody was forced to be one way or another to a large degree.

As a people, as a race, as a society, we should respect one another as a matter of course not as a matter of force.

Pushing 99% of decent folks, who exercise that way of life ordinarily, to be anything other than themselves is the greatest tragedy and travesty in itself.

I hear you and agree with you my friend and wish you nothing but joy (especially behind the wheels of many many Ms).

If you haven't heard of him, I thoroughly recommend you check out Jim Jeffries (High & Dry) on Netflix (he's an Australian comedian who lives in LA)

He'll have you in stitches

https://www.netflix.com/au/title/814...&clip=81671754

Enjoy my friend

Jim Jeffries is hilarious

[msej449]

Re the Touring preference in the UK and Europe: it's horses for courses. In the US, you have massive parking spaces, each space individually big, wide roads but often poor road surfaces. SUVs make perfect sense in these circumstances. In Europe, we have narrow roads, small parking spaces, and less parking capacity, but often better road surfaces. So an estate makes sense.

SUVs in Europe are widely criticised because they're just too big for the road environment here. Conversely, a lot of US drivers can't see the point of a sedan with an extended rear. Both of which views are fair enough.

I've had a Jeep grand Cherokee and my conclusion when I handed it back was that for all that extra size and bulk, I got relatively little extra internal space, compared to the Tourings/Avants I'd had previously. With my estates, I got a car with a good internal-to-external size ratio and a load of extra usable space in the back. One which could double as both a fun drive when on my own, and an effective family load-carrier as well.

[MadBimmeRad]

Originally Posted by Teutonic

Tell your son that your behaviour is a signal to the idiot that his acts are not welcome. If more people will do it, will probably lead to an introspection or at least a change of behaviour.
Also tell your son that by refraining on being you and contributing to the society is one big mistake that will allow these individuals tu run his society and transform it in something unnatural. (See today).
Passive attitude and Indifference are enemy nr.1 of the society.

Funny, that's what I say to him each time, however, believe it or not, it is now illegal to honk in South Australia. It will earn you 3 demerit points and up to $800 fine.

That's the true travesty

[JK479]

Originally Posted by Jobe10

It was you who was not seeing it as a "big picture" since you say that's the "only difference". If, like you suggest, it's everyhing to achieve the speed, than it's a completely different car, witch doenst make it a small difference, and witch makes your statement irrelevant.

Hey- let’s agree to disagree?

Also- just for your next post… you’re spelling “which” like a “witch” from Hocus Pocus. I don’t want to rip you apart on this. I just wanted to point it out to you so the next time when you are posting to people no one will point it out. Possibly use it against you.

M3 is a great car no doubt- glad you have passion for the brand too.

[Malloy]

Originally Posted by EatThatLunchBaby

Am I the only one from the US who lusts after this? I would trade my G80 in for a wagon in a heartbeat! That being said, I might be more interested in a coupe if I didn’t have to daily the car.

I’m definitely of the camp that saw the grill and thought something horrible went wrong, but now I really love how it sets itself apart from the normal 3-series. To each their own! I think BMW is doing a pretty good job of providing some type of vehicle for everyone in their lineup

I had 2 F31s in a row then got my G80. I'd buy a G81 in a hot second.

[TractionControlDelete]

I can’t tell if it’s just the angle of the photo but I totally expected the G81 to make the 992 look tiny. Obviously the M3 is heavier and all that, but is anyone else noticing that the dimensions look pretty close?

[Jobe10]

Originally Posted by JK479

Hey- let’s agree to disagree?

Also- just for your next post… you’re spelling “which” like a “witch” from Hocus Pocus. I don’t want to rip you apart on this. I just wanted to point it out to you so the next time when you are posting to people no one will point it out. Possibly use it against you.

M3 is a great car no doubt- glad you have passion for the brand too.

Yeah sorry about my spelling. I'm from Belgium so I do my best

Waiting for my car is just taking to long and I'm getting annoyed

Have a nice day!

[MadBimmeRad]

Originally Posted by Jobe10

Yeah sorry about my spelling. I'm from Belgium so I do my best

Waiting for my car is just taking to long and I'm getting annoyed

Have a nice day!

Jobe10

Welcome to our BMW-Mad corner.

Don't worry about spelling, I wouldn't know where to begin if I ever found my way to Belgium; you are doing brilliantly my friend

[PAS]

Originally Posted by DM5PAV

There will never be another top gear, because clarkson and co. were the show, not the other way around. They were right pricks at times, but they were also damn funny and genuine people who you could relate to, humorous and lovable churls who just wanted to fuck around in fast cars.

Never did I ever think that anything said by Clarkson and co was said with the intent of harming someone or some thing. Intent is key. The reason that modern society is warm shit on a plate is that intent has been made invisible in the woke religion.

We all have to watch, listen, read things we disagree with lol. What makes you think that has anything to do with woke being shit?
It doesn’t.

Woke is shit because, it’s shit.
It’s all bullshit. As in, it’s 100% lies.

The majority of people do not want to hurt you, regardless of your skin color. If they happen to say something which offends you, then perhaps you (or anyone for that matter) should gauge their intent and let it roll off your back like all the rest of us have to do when someone or some thing inadvertently steps on our toes by accident. Woke is boring as fuck. It’s sterile.
Dead.

It’s a religion run by morons.

It goes without saying that anyone who actually is a racist or bigot or misogynist can kiss our collective ass. How do you think we got to this horrible point in history lol?

It’s OBVIOUS we care about all people, otherwise we wouldn’t be in the shitty cultural climate we are in where all anyone does in public is apologize endlessly and grovel for forgiveness at their being born.

Western Civ’s history is the history of white people, and it is quite clear that western civ is willing to implode itself rather than accidentally use a word that might offend a single brown, gay, cripple, mental incompetent, female turned male or vice versa person ever again - even by accident lmao!

Did you not see that liberal’s Open AI Chat GPT-3 would let millions of people die rather than use one racial slur that might offend someone?

It’s a true fucking nightmare this ideology.

I do somewhat feel bad for people wrongly affected by the current cultural climate, and there are a lot of them, but at the same time people are going to have to figure out who their real friends are. If you as a minority think that woke white liberals are your friends and I am your enemy, ok.
Good luck to your children.

The only thing woke is really doing to me is harming my entertainment. I find that annoying but not life shattering.

If you think your child’s sex is interchangeable, that math is racist, that achievement and egalitarianism is white supremacy… good luck.

I’ll point out to you that nowhere else on Earth is doing what western civ is doing, which is destroying itself in an effort to become completely sterile, completely devoid of all cultural idiosyncrasies, completely devoid of tragedy and humor in a classical sense, in an effort to become completely inoffensive to anyone (except itself, of course… cause no one gives a damn what some poor white schmuck thinks or wants and they aren’t afraid to insult that category of person because it is perfectly acceptable to do so).

Woke is fake. White people have demonstrably shitty lives, the majority of them. Yet, woke acts like they are all kings and queens looking down on the little minority people with disdain. What a crock of shit. The vast, vast majority of white people treat everyone the same. There’s a great argument to made that whites in general are just shitty people ha ha, but you’ll never get a thinking human to actually believe anything woke is real. I think most normal people are just waiting for the fad to die out and the liberals to get bored of their new pets.

I imagine that statement offends you, but that is how liberals treat minorities, like pets. Please try to find the intent, as the barb is not pointed at you.

I will say that I don’t find you offensive at all, or anything you said offensive at all. I don’t agree with it and I think woke is a plague that stands to destroy the world, but I don’t find you offensive at all.

I find woke white liberals offensive and wish them nothing but a long walk off a short pier because they are turning the world to shit. They turned the BBC to shit. They turned Top Gear to shit. They are turning cars in general to shit. They are coming for meat, housing, children… they just want to destroy everything.

I’ve met a handful of actual racists my whole life, a handful. The liberals are changing nothing by the way for actual racists, but they are destroying the world for everyone else. Actual racists and bigots already were ostracized and largely kicked out of society and made their own little camps. Nothing has changed for them.

Now, women (as much as they drive me insane) actually have a valid complaint against misogyny in this world since they are treated like trash… and the wokesters answer to this is, just make men women. Let’s make women not exist.

There, problem solved!


Woke is the most hypocritical bullshit ideology ever invented. It constantly lies to itself and everyone in it 24/7 (only white people are racist, you can be the opposite sex, the world is ending due to petroleum, etc, etc...) Anything that goes against the woke ideology is instantly labeled racist, bigoted, and burned at the stake. There are no exceptions. Eventually they are going to start shooting themselves in a circular firing squad. Humor will return on that day.

If this is the sort of society you want so that you can ensure you are never offended. Have at it. It’s all yours. I never liked cities anyway, truly. I think they suck.

Back to the show…
Clarkson and co sold image, not cars. Watch the grand tour and tell me that you don’t want whatever car they featured that week. I sure did. They loved vehicles. They were honest, for the most part on what they did and didn’t like and I greatly enjoyed watching them have fun. It would not matter to me in the least if all the new Top Gear hosts were black as night as long as they were funny and loved cars and made me want to be with them while they explored the vehicles on the show. That’s all I want from Top Gear.

But that’ll never happen since the BBC is infested with Wokesters who are afraid of calling their own shadow black, and nothing is as unfunny as fear and timidity. Wokesters are riddled with it. Everything they touch turns to shit.

Modern society is a parade of idiots all patting each other on the back and Top Gear is no different. Chris Harris ought to dump Top Gear and just do his own thing. It’s dead, you’re right about that.

I don’t agree on woke though, that shit is poison.

I think you need to clarify your definition of 'woke'. This is what I understand it to be from the dictonary.

"having or marked by an active awareness of systemic injustices and prejudices, especially those involving the treatment of ethnic, racial, or sexual minorities"

From this definition I would say I am 100% 'woke'.

Your comment makes me wanna jump on a plane, and slap (not shoot) you into next sunday.

Seems to contradict with your views?

"...nothing is as unfunny as fear and timidity. Wokesters are riddled with it. Everything they touch turns to shit."

[Flint Rockbone]

Originally Posted by playswcars

Everybody ended up eating their words on the G8x, it’s actually hilarious.

Harris didn't end up eating his words. His initial review of the G80 was that it was a great driver's car with horrendous looks. Even his post "still trying to work up the courage to post a pic of the front end" is a joke about how bad the front looks.

This design has been out for a few years now and I'm still seeing and reading car reviews that trash the design of the G8X platform. People buy this car for the performance, but only a select minority actually like the design.

I would never buy a car that I wouldn't want to look back at as I was walking away after a drive. GM could put an LT6 in an Aztec, make it drive like a GT3, and I'd still never buy one because of the horrible design.

[M2Cmtl]

Originally Posted by Malloy

I had 2 F31s in a row then got my G80. I'd buy a G81 in a hot second.

Brother from another mother! I also had two F31s before getting an M2. Would have gotten a G81 for sure.

[JK479]

Originally Posted by Jobe10

Yeah sorry about my spelling. I'm from Belgium so I do my best

Waiting for my car is just taking to long and I'm getting annoyed

Have a nice day!

Your English is pretty damn good ; if I had to speak or write in Dutch or French- we wouldn’t be conversing!

I hear ya- it’s been a long couple of years with all these delays- what did you order? I’d love to read the spec…

[GoneIn4Secs]

Originally Posted by Teutonic

Tell your son that your behaviour is a signal to the idiot that his acts are not welcome. If more people will do it, will probably lead to an introspection or at least a change of behaviour.
Also tell your son that by refraining on being you and contributing to the society is one big mistake that will allow these individuals tu run his society and transform it in something unnatural. (See today).
Passive attitude and Indifference are enemy nr.1 of the society.

This is true, if more ppl just had more courage to stand up and voice their opinions, we wouldn't be in the woke hell hole we are in today

And maybe even online forums would allow more free thought instead of censorship

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by PAS

I think you need to clarify your definition of 'woke'. This is what I understand it to be from the dictonary.

"having or marked by an exaggerated and selective outrage; a purported awareness of systemic injustices and prejudices, especially those involving the treatment of ethnic, racial, or sexual minorities to benefit ONLY political gain and nothing more. Racial division mongers."

From this definition I would say I am 100% 'woke'.

Your comment makes me wanna jump on a plane, and slap (not shoot) you into next sunday.

Seems to contradict with your views?

"...nothing is as unfunny as fear and timidity. Wokesters are riddled with it. Everything they touch turns to shit."

Fixed that for you. “Woke” is a pejorative term in the eyes of most. Focus on what they do, not what they say. Admitting to being woke and characterizing it as a positive only outlines the fact you truly don’t know what you’re talking about.

The white man/woman is not responsible for the current plight of the black community. That fault and responsibility lies squarely on us; it’s a culture issue, not a racial one.

[MichaelB1969]

Originally Posted by Flint Rockbone

Harris didn't end up eating his words. His initial review of the G80 was that it was a great driver's car with horrendous looks. Even his post "still trying to work up the courage to post a pic of the front end" is a joke about how bad the front looks.

This design has been out for a few years now and I'm still seeing and reading car reviews that trash the design of the G8X platform. People buy this car for the performance, but only a select minority actually like the design.

I would never buy a car that I wouldn't want to look back at as I was walking away after a drive. GM could put an LT6 in an Aztec, make it drive like a GT3, and I'd still never buy one because of the horrible design.

My strong assumption is that while the journalists and many "purists" continue to trash it, most mainstream consumers like it a lot. Based on my observations, I believe this to be true.

Anyways, one can always exit the car and walk around the back if it bothers them.