[MadBimmeRad]

Originally Posted by mbanck

No, since always I believe, it had the S58 before the M3 was even a thing.

https://www.bmwblog.com/2019/09/13/n...coming-bmw-m3/

I'm baffled. The Australian delivered B3s had B58 engine in them when I last queried it early last year

[aaaaah]

Originally Posted by mbanck

No, since always I believe, it had the S58 before the M3 was even a thing.

https://www.bmwblog.com/2019/09/13/n...coming-bmw-m3/

Woah, I have no idea how I missed that. My whole life is a lie!

[Jobe10]

Originally Posted by JK479

I’ll still take an m340i Xdrive OVER the m3 xdrive because of the looks. I’m also a former e90, e46 and f30 guy. I think if you love a look- and don’t like another look- you can’t come around based on speed.

So you are saying the only difference between the M340i and the M3 is speed? How little can you know

[OM3RTA]

Originally Posted by Quadruple VANOS

My thoughts exactly. Even worse are the performace wagon people who only buy them for the look of utility, while they’re really never going to actually haul anything with them. The best ones though, are the people who then put a roof carrier box on their performance wagon. Like how much crap are you pretending to haul around?

Is'nt this argument exactly the same for SUV's and trucks/pick ups??

[JK479]

Originally Posted by Jobe10

So you are saying the only difference between the M340i and the M3 is speed? How little can you know

Actually no. Nuance is subtle and implied. Think about how “speed” is achieved. Think of the big picture. Then get back to me 🙄

[thaalrasha]

Originally Posted by OM3RTA

Is'nt this argument exactly the same for SUV's and trucks/pick ups??

Nah people buying performance SUVs do it because they are planning to go off road

[mbanck]

Originally Posted by thaalrasha

Nah people buying performance SUVs do it because they are planning to go off road

Well, or because they are easier to get in and out of.

By dad turned 80 this month and I'm trying to convince my parents that maybe a SUV is more practical at their age than a Mercedes CLS, but they would have none of it.

Also, he mentioned one of his friends of similar had to be rescued out of a Ferrari passenger seat by the firefighters because he couldn't get out of it anymore on his own (or with help), must've been embarrassing

[Teutonic]

Originally Posted by mbanck

Well, or because they are easier to get in and out of.

By dad turned 80 this month and I'm trying to convince my parents that maybe a SUV is more practical at their age than a Mercedes CLS, but they would have none of it.

Also, he mentioned one of his friends of similar had to be rescued out of a Ferrari passenger seat by the firefighters because he couldn't get out of it anymore on his own (or with help), must've been embarrassing

LOL, true. You should see the i8

[Forzanerazzurri]

Originally Posted by AYounglove10

Chris Harris has never been the one to over-promote his own material. The quality of his journalism and charisma on camera did that for him and landed him his spot on Top Gear and as a founding member of Collecting Cars today.

He’s been at the very apex of automotive journalism going on 20 years now, from his early days at Evo and his time on the now defunct Drive Network (early YouTube premium content days).

He got there because of his own self deprecating sense of self (he definitely doesn’t think of himself as the GOAT), wicked talent behind the wheel, and a sharp ability to provide cultural and comparative context when reviewing cars.

Should you be impressed? Yes, yes you should.

Remember when mighty Chris Harris said 5 years ago that the future of Lamborghini is bleak? The guy is a clown.

[adc]

The same argument some are making against a performance SUV can absolutely be applied to a performance wagon. Physics rules, yes?

So you think an X3M is worse from a performance standpoint to an M3 Touring, because it sits taller and weighs more. Well the Touring is effectively a sedan with another big adult forever bolted to the trunk.

Now, could you take a Touring to the track and have fun with it? Absolutely, positively. After all, I took my X2M35i when my M3 was sidelined for a brake upgrade - and I had fun, and perhaps a few people were surprised at its performance envelope. But I did not have more fun than in my M, and at the end of the day the tires and brakes were toast so I am not planning for a repeat.

Of course as was noted, every M3 made with the exception of the E30 was a compromised performance platform, from Day 1. But there are degrees of compromising, and in my view the Touring is one too far. Would perhaps make a great daily driver and fun all around car, but could never really fulfill the track duty part of the contract. And I think that is reflected in the arguments of those who plan to buy one.

So while I admire BMWs mojo for putting this car together, I wouldn’t buy one even if it were available in the US.


To stay on topic, I liked Chris Harris a lot more before he joined the snooze fest that is Top Gear these days.

[madpistol]

Originally Posted by adc

The same argument some are making against a performance SUV can absolutely be applied to a performance wagon. Physics rules, yes?

So you think an X3M is worse from a performance standpoint to an M3 Touring, because it sits taller and weighs more. Well the Touring is effectively a sedan with another big adult forever bolted to the trunk.

Now, could you take a Touring to the track and have fun with it? Absolutely, positively. After all, I took my X2M35i when my M3 was sidelined for a brake upgrade - and I had fun, and perhaps a few people were surprised at its performance envelope. But I did not have more fun than in my M, and at the end of the day the tires and brakes were toast so I am not planning for a repeat.

Of course as was noted, every M3 made with the exception of the E30 was a compromised performance platform, from Day 1. But there are degrees of compromising, and in my view the Touring is one too far. Would perhaps make a great daily driver and fun all around car, but could never really fulfill the track duty part of the contract. And I think that is reflected in the arguments of those who plan to buy one.

So while I admire BMWs mojo for putting this car together, I wouldn’t buy one even if it were available in the US.


To stay on topic, I liked Chris Harris a lot more before he joined the snooze fest that is Top Gear these days.

I agree with this sentiment. I love the idea of an M3 wagon, but as far as practicality goes, the X3 M is going to greatly outstretch it, both from a usability and comfort standpoint (getting in an out of an X3 is much easier than a 3 series).

[///393]

G80/G82 crowd sure are sensitive about what people think of their cars. Still. You’d think that have worn off by now.

“Oh YEAH, well YOUR CAR is dated! Take THAT!”

Grow up Peter Pan. Drive whatever you like. If you can’t take a little ball breaking on the internet lord help ya because real life is a weee but more brutal.

This is the most entertaining thread this forum has had in months. Dudes like Targa snapping about decorum and then dropping the F bomb. It’s hilarious. This is great!

[G30M]

Originally Posted by adc

The same argument some are making against a performance SUV can absolutely be applied to a performance wagon. Physics rules, yes?

So you think an X3M is worse from a performance standpoint to an M3 Touring, because it sits taller and weighs more. Well the Touring is effectively a sedan with another big adult forever bolted to the trunk.

Now, could you take a Touring to the track and have fun with it? Absolutely, positively. After all, I took my X2M35i when my M3 was sidelined for a brake upgrade - and I had fun, and perhaps a few people were surprised at its performance envelope. But I did not have more fun than in my M, and at the end of the day the tires and brakes were toast so I am not planning for a repeat.

Of course as was noted, every M3 made with the exception of the E30 was a compromised performance platform, from Day 1. But there are degrees of compromising, and in my view the Touring is one too far. Would perhaps make a great daily driver and fun all around car, but could never really fulfill the track duty part of the contract. And I think that is reflected in the arguments of those who plan to buy one.

So while I admire BMWs mojo for putting this car together, I wouldn’t buy one even if it were available in the US.


To stay on topic, I liked Chris Harris a lot more before he joined the snooze fest that is Top Gear these days.

good points. but how does the M3T compare with the bulkier M5CS?

i prefer X3M over M3T but I prefer M5CS over the 2!
and I don't even have track access.

[jmg]

Originally Posted by wilson kop

G80/G82 crowd sure are sensitive about what people think of their cars. Still. You’d think that have worn off by now.

“Oh YEAH, well YOUR CAR is dated! Take THAT!”

Grow up Peter Pan. Drive whatever you like. If you can’t take a little ball breaking on the internet lord help ya because real life is a weee but more brutal.

This is the most entertaining thread this forum has had in months. Dudes like Targa snapping about decorum and then dropping the F bomb. It’s hilarious. This is great!

This is literally one of the least talked about thing in this thread. Most of the discussion is about the validity of the wagon.

[///393]

Originally Posted by jmg

This is literally one of the least talked about thing in this thread. Most of the discussion is about the validity of the wagon.

Yeah it’s like the appearance wasn’t even mentioned. Definitely not referenced in CH Instagram post and subsequently every page of this thread.

[NotSharocks]

It's cool because it's a wagon.

It's un-cool because it's only offered in AWD with no manual option.

The grills are still un-cool (this is going to take some years to get used to/I wonder if BMW will have this design feature in the next gen of cars)

Nevertheless, it's a press car so for content, anyone can say nice things.

[jmg]

Originally Posted by wilson kop

Yeah it’s like the appearance wasn’t even mentioned. Definitely not referenced in CH Instagram post and subsequently every page of this thread.

I didn’t say it wasn’t mentioned, but given the tone of your post, it’s as if the G80 children were acting up in this thread and daddy was about to turn the car around if they didn’t shape up. In actuality, it was mentioned a handful of times.

Given that this thread, while on the front page of bimmerpost, actually lives in the G80 section, where thousands of users have obviously chosen to own and love these cars, it’s not beyond the realm of reason that we at least mention the grill backlash in a post about Chris Harris, a critic of the grill since the beginning. With that in mind, it’s actually quite less than expected, and not even the main catalyst of the hostile environment that you described. Most of the drama is the discussion about the wagon vs the suv.

The fixation on the grill is mostly others wanting to tell owners how ugly their car is for reasons they can only ask themselves. Then the owners are chastised for disagreeing about something that is inheritly subjective. It’s a catch 22 that favors those who just want to diminish the opinions of others.

[aaaaah]

Originally Posted by adc

The same argument some are making against a performance SUV can absolutely be applied to a performance wagon. Physics rules, yes?

So you think an X3M is worse from a performance standpoint to an M3 Touring, because it sits taller and weighs more. Well the Touring is effectively a sedan with another big adult forever bolted to the trunk.

Now, could you take a Touring to the track and have fun with it? Absolutely, positively. After all, I took my X2M35i when my M3 was sidelined for a brake upgrade - and I had fun, and perhaps a few people were surprised at its performance envelope. But I did not have more fun than in my M, and at the end of the day the tires and brakes were toast so I am not planning for a repeat.

Of course as was noted, every M3 made with the exception of the E30 was a compromised performance platform, from Day 1. But there are degrees of compromising, and in my view the Touring is one too far. Would perhaps make a great daily driver and fun all around car, but could never really fulfill the track duty part of the contract. And I think that is reflected in the arguments of those who plan to buy one.

The current 2/3/4 series are all inherently compromised because BMW seemingly cares little for reducing the weight of the cars beyond what accessories or limited runs that they can sell for egregious markups.

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by jmg

I didn’t say it wasn’t mentioned, but given the tone of your post, it’s as if the G80 children were acting up in this thread and daddy was about to turn the car around if they didn’t shape up. In actuality, it was mentioned a handful of times.

Given that this thread, while on the front page of bimmerpost, actually lives in the G80 section, where thousands of users have obviously chosen to own and love these cars, it’s not beyond the realm of reason that we at least mention the grill backlash in a post about Chris Harris, a critic of the grill since the beginning. With that in mind, it’s actually quite less than expected, and not even the main catalyst of the hostile environment that you described. Most of the drama is the discussion about the wagon vs the suv.

The fixation on the grill is mostly others wanting to tell owners how ugly their car is for reasons they can only ask themselves. Then the owners are chastised for disagreeing about something that is inheritly subjective. It’s a catch 22 that favors those who just want to diminish the opinions of others.

Exactly!

[///393]

Originally Posted by jmg

I didn’t say it wasn’t mentioned, but given the tone of your post, it’s as if the G80 children were acting up in this thread and daddy was about to turn the car around if they didn’t shape up.

Hilarious image.

If you want more practicality wagons are awesome and I actually don’t mind the G80 in a brighter color. I’m simply enjoying the feverish posts from folks that seem very, very upset one way or another about all sorts of things ranging from wagons, to SUVs, to celebrities and my favorite, decorum.

[jmg]

Originally Posted by wilson kop

Hilarious image.

If you want more practicality wagons are awesome and I actually don’t mind the G80 in a brighter color. I’m simply enjoying the feverish posts from folks that seem very, very upset one way or another about all sorts of things ranging from wagons, to SUVs, to celebrities and my favorite, decorum.

Ultimately, being a car enthusiast is supposed to be fun. A healthy discussion is fine, but some people take it to personally and it bums me out.

[///393]

Originally Posted by jmg

Ultimately, being a car enthusiast is supposed to be fun. A healthy discussion is fine, but some people take it to personally and it bums me out.

Don’t cry, laugh. Life is better that way.

Originally Posted by Forzanerazzurri

And the F87 is an underpowered econobox M car with a shit interior.

See. It’s hilarious