[pr0gi]

I really wanted a wagon but my wife doesn't like it so... that's that. Actually, for some reason all of the women in my family hate the wagons. I prefer them over the SUV. And I'm sure this M3 is brilliant in every way.

[GoneIn4Secs]

Originally Posted by Forzanerazzurri

And the F87 is an underpowered econobox M car with a shit interior.

Better than your car

Im happy you like to sit in the passenger seat and admire the interior in M cars

[Hansn]

Originally Posted by TruthOne

Wagons are the most overhyped cars there are. If you need space and want speed why get that over an X3M? Those handle damn good too . How crazy are people driving their wagons? Probably not any crazier than a Performance SUV so it doesn’t matter that it’s lower to the ground.

I dont see your logic. The wagon is more practical and a better drivers car.. Where is the logic in the american hatred for wagons..? They are miles better than any SUV can be simply due to the rules of physics. Why do you want to climb up into your "sports car"? I get that BIG is better in the US, but even a lowered x3m is inferior to a standard touring due to the reality of things.... 😂

The 3 series will both feel and handle better than the SUV so why would you get the SUV?

[MadBimmeRad]

Originally Posted by Higgs Boson

welcome to earth

Higgs Boson you crack me up
🤣🤣🤣

[MadBimmeRad]

Originally Posted by pr0gi

I really wanted a wagon but my wife doesn't like it so... that's that. Actually, for some reason all of the women in my family hate the wagons. I prefer them over the SUV. And I'm sure this M3 is brilliant in every way.

Time for a divorce

[spuntyb]

Originally Posted by DM5PAV

Never going to be a fan of these.
I do not get the appeal.
Ugly.

Glad they don’t sell these in the states lol. I don’t wanna look at em. Station wagons are dead and should stay that way ha ha.

Someone should tell BMW:
https://f30.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1941425

[spuntyb]

“Am I the only one from the US who lusts after this? I would trade my G80 in for a wagon in a heartbeat! That being said, I might be more interested in a coupe if I didn’t have to daily the car.”

You aren’t the only one. We tried with the Change.org petition, but weere unsuccessful this time. The G99 is supposed to come here soon, so maybe the next M3 wagon will make it Stateside. Fingers crossed…

[Russ103]

I personally like the grill. However, the same grill looks hideous when a front tag is there.

Just say no to front tags.

[Poiseuille]

Originally Posted by Zamorskii

Not a troll here, just don’t watch Top Gear as I never took it for a serious car show. Never felt compelled by any of their reviews either whenever I stumbled on them.

well, you have to admit that to this day the Reliant Robin review remains the gold standard in the Auto Journalism bidnizz…c’mon man.

[Itson451]

Originally Posted by wilson kop

Weird flex to be an auto enthusiast that doesn’t know who Chris Harris is.

Bump

[Poiseuille]

a thousand words==>

[davidmct-M3]

Originally Posted by Forzanerazzurri

Why would anyone prefer the heavier, slower, uglier, less sporty, more awkwardly proportioned version of the M3? The British have always had weird fetishes with certain cars (Land Rover, anything in estate form, Ford Cortinas, GTIs, etc) but is this a case of Americans just wanting something they can't have? If i ever saw anyone with the estate version I would immediately think they had to choose it as a compromise with their wife.

We think the same of Americans with there craving for chrome and trucks. All a matter tastes being different 🙂

[Teutonic]

Originally Posted by playswcars

Everybody ended up eating their words on the G8x, it’s actually hilarious.

Not everyone. Just the fact that he is still trying to like it tells you a lot. It's a forceful way to try to like it because technically is good. Wonderful engineered car, horrendous exterior and dashboard.
When you have a design that "hopefully it will grow" you must agree that is a failure. A proper design makes you want the car at the moment you lay eyes on it.

[Quadruple VANOS]

Performance wagons are the automotive equivalent of all-season tires. They manage the sportiness okay; and they can be utilitarian, but they’re not going to do either as well as something more closely dedicated to the task.

My perception is nearly all US performance wagon buyers really just like the uniqueness, and are willing to sacrifice some performance to achieve it.

[Nvtavailable]

DM5PAV good thing you don’t run bmw. Everything would look the same

PS, the wagon is coming to the states lmao.

[Ska8139]

Originally Posted by Quadruple VANOS

Performance wagons are the automotive equivalent of all-season tires. They manage the sportiness okay; and they can be utilitarian, but they’re not going to do either as well as something more closely dedicated to the task.

My perception is nearly all US performance wagon buyers really just like the uniqueness, and are willing to sacrifice some performance to achieve it.

While everyone is entitled to their viewpoints and I won’t argue about their preferences, which performance wagons have you driven when you say that you give up performance buying one? I own an 2021 E63s and dynamically it’s about as good as any car in all but the most extreme scenarios (I don’t daily drive on the Nurbugring unfortunately lol. For the record, it did run a 7:45 time there) and better than most cars in just about any day to day tasks from transporting kids and strollers to taking long distance trips with legit luggage, to making warehouse runs. The only real issue with the car is that it’s a PITA to park and so if you live in the city, it’s not as easily manageable but then again neither is any truck or suv for that matter.

I think it’s reasonable to not like performance wagons because of the perception of what they are or maybe the styling, but I don’t believe that dynamically you’re losing anything buying one over just about any sedan and most coupes and certainly just about any suv. And for the record, I’ve owed an F87 and have driven the G80 and ended buying my wagon after that drive. My two cents.

[flexspec]

Originally Posted by playswcars

Everybody ended up eating their words on the G8x, it’s actually hilarious.

I think there are people who initially had a reflexive reaction to the front of the G8X. This subset are more inclined to change their minds/perspectives as familiarity begins to take hold.

There are another group that won’t budge. To us the front end — well it’s been said a million times — lets just call it a face that only a mother could love, lines, and overall design are confusing. Being around the car and seeing it doesn’t create a familiar experience that disarms our senses and lulls them into acceptance. Its quite the opposite. I’m evoking imagery of that girl we all knew in grade school who ate chalk — our minds haven’t changed about her.

Here’s the best part though. Thats ok. This car wasn’t built for me/us — it was built for you — and those who do like the it. And that’s ok. Enjoy it.

It makes more sense to look at it as humans who were on the fence, or people slowly becoming accustomed to the new face vs people eating their words. Humans change their minds. Nothing hilarious about that.

[sturgeongeneral]

Gotta love people that come on here and try to borderline pathologize wagon ownership, because it doesn't fit their personal use case, or because they can't imagine why anyone would have different needs or preferences. Others in here have already explained why one would prefer a wagon to a sedan or an SUV, but I'll recap:

• Inarguably superior driving characteristics to SUVs (and yes, when I'm not hauling stuff or family I drive mine hard @TruthOne)
• Added cargo space that many of us do utilize regularly (not sure why this one is so hard to appreciate)
• Many of us need one car that's a complete package (not everyone has the room or resources to own more than one vehicle)
• Some of us don't like the way SUVs look or drive (imagine that?)

Originally Posted by Quadruple VANOS

Performance wagons are the automotive equivalent of all-season tires. They manage the sportiness okay; and they can be utilitarian, but they’re not going to do either as well as something more closely dedicated to the task.

My perception is nearly all US performance wagon buyers really just like the uniqueness, and are willing to sacrifice some performance to achieve it.

The M3 is already a compromised sports car in a lot of respects. The whole point of owning one is to have a car that can "do it all," so I see the wagon variant as a logical extension of that. As for the desire for uniqueness, that may be the case for some buyers, but I laid out the parsimonious explanation above that doesn’t involve attributing some ulterior psychological motive.

[TruthOne]

Originally Posted by Hansn

I dont see your logic. The wagon is more practical and a better drivers car.. Where is the logic in the american hatred for wagons..? They are miles better than any SUV can be simply due to the rules of physics. Why do you want to climb up into your "sports car"? I get that BIG is better in the US, but even a lowered x3m is inferior to a standard touring due to the reality of things.... 😂

The 3 series will both feel and handle better than the SUV so why would you get the SUV?

I wouldn’t get either personally But the X3M looks Way better than that Wagon IMO. The only decent looking wagon to me is the RS6 and I don’t even like that either. I definitely would not take a wagon or an suv to a track so how great it handles doesn’t mean too much.

[///393]

SturgeonGeneral out here making sense and being all reasonable. Anyways, back to the nonsense everyone.

The G82 can beat up a F87 and in no way has angles that make it look like it has an extra chromosome. Also, the XM is the best new BMW made.

[G80indy]

I may regard his opinion for driving dynamics, but I don’t care anything else about his opinions. The G80 is mean as hell, driving and looking —- and I’ve grown to trust the designers at BMW. They definitely have a view for the future.
The moment I saw one in the flesh, I knew I would end up owning it. Driving a six speed only confirmed how great the chassis was and with that linear response of the S58. I would think this G81 is what a lot of wagon fans have been waiting for.

[madpistol]

The "Beever Teeth" BMWs make a statement. Unlike previous BMWs, people notice them. That was the point of this design... stand out.