[OSee]

Originally Posted by OF Hero

Wow, that's crazy.

We're still thinking that MSRP for xdrive is probably ~$3k though, right?

$3,500

But keep in mind that's a guess based on known European pricing. My CA had no clue and said they hadn't received that info yet.

[Wills2]

I think it sounds great fake or not totally different to the S58 in my X3M but in a good way, it sounded like a 5 cylinder warble to me in the video which was cool.

[Pantagathus]

Originally Posted by OCfromOC

$3,500

But keep in mind that's a guess based on known European pricing. My CA had no clue and said they hadn't received that info yet.

I think that will be very tempting for people. To be able to put all 500 horses down with no problem will be super fun. For me the choice is really 6MT or AWD, and I went with 6MT. If both were available now though... tough choice

[rideontwo]

Originally Posted by Pantagathus

I think that will be very tempting for people. To be able to put all 500 horses down with no problem will be super fun. For me the choice is really 6MT or AWD, and I went with 6MT. If both were available now though... tough choice

I think the issue is more warranty and cost related to BMW. With 6MT and AWD combo people will abuse the ***p out these cars. By that I mean high revving clutch drops, leading to sheared gears, burnt clutches, busted diffs, etc.

I am in agreement with you though, 6MT/AWD would be amazing. They wouldn't have any competition.

[zamboni]

Originally Posted by SYT_Shadow

Yes it does! I used to live right by the street in that clip

Closer to Boston University area

[frankiebones]

Originally Posted by rideontwo

I think the issue is more warranty and cost related to BMW. With 6MT and AWD combo people will abuse the ***p out these cars. By that I mean high revving clutch drops, leading to sheared gears, burnt clutches, busted diffs, etc.

I am in agreement with you though, 6MT/AWD would be amazing. They wouldn't have any competition.

That's not the issue, not from what they have said. Good hypothesis, but not the issue.

They don't expect the 6MT to sell nearly well enough to develop two drivetrains for it. In many markets (UK for example) they aren't even offering it. They have no concerns about warranty or with clutch dumps at high rpms because they could limit that from happening. The economics of developing two different drivetrains for a "niche" product don't add up. They'll still sell the same amount of cars as well.

They are still getting all the 6MT drivers (myself included) because we have nowhere else to go (I don't even wanna hear the word Cadillac Blackwing, I wouldn't even rent a Cadillac while on vacation at Disney if I could help it).

Many 6MT lunatics are RWD purists (count me in there). If AWD was the only 6MT option, sure, I would buy it. But if I had a choice between RWD or AWD I would choose RWD every time for sportiness and weight savings.

[TrentMeister]

The shifter throw looks crazy short!

I'm pretty impressed with that

[ChiTownM]

Originally Posted by Silber

I would not. The CS is a perfect car for me personally and does something completely in terms of driver engagement while the G80 is more in the realm of what the M5 used to be - a luxury land missile.

I am going to be selling my F82 and 135i though, and will consider a G8X as a replacement grand tourer, maybe even replacing the spot that the i8 currently hold in the garage. But if I use it in that role, I'd probably wait for the AWD variant, or maybe even the i4.

Great feedback. I still have to pick up my CS and I have built a manual M3 on the configurator to compare the vehicles. I fully understand that they are two different cars but the price is pretty similar, hence your comparison is helpful.

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by frankiebones

That's not the issue, not from what they have said. Good hypothesis, but not the issue.

They don't expect the 6MT to sell nearly well enough to develop two drivetrains for it. In many markets (UK for example) they aren't even offering it. They have no concerns about warranty or with clutch dumps at high rpms because they could limit that from happening. The economics of developing two different drivetrains for a "niche" product don't add up. They'll still sell the same amount of cars as well.

They are still getting all the 6MT drivers (myself included) because we have nowhere else to go (I don't even wanna hear the word Cadillac Blackwing, I wouldn't even rent a Cadillac while on vacation at Disney if I could help it).

Many 6MT lunatics are RWD purists (count me in there). If AWD was the only 6MT option, sure, I would buy it. But if I had a choice between RWD or AWD I would choose RWD every time for sportiness and weight savings.

Spot on bro!


P.S. It's mainly haters bringing up the Cadillac......as if they'd even buy one. They did the same thing back in the early 2000's when they were displeased with the E46, yet, nobody actually went and spent money at Cadillac. It was all tired tropes and fodder.

[frankiebones]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

Spot on bro!


P.S. It's mainly haters bringing up the Cadillac......as if they'd even buy one. They did the same thing back in the early 2000's when they were displeased with the E46, yet, nobody actually went and spent money at Cadillac. It was all tired tropes and fodder.

They've not appealing cars on any level. We do many things well in this country but building performance cars capable of turning at speeds in excess of 60 mph isn't one of them.

[M-Pilot]

AWD and 6MT combo might not make so much sense for BMW but I still think they should have offered 6MT for RWD Competition models too. While the differences between the base and the comp aren't that dramatic, I'm not thrilled that I have to choose 6MT over Comp and cannot have both at the same time in a RWD car.

[Ag3ofShadows]

did you take your video down? it's just bringing me to the YT homepage.

[SYT_Shadow]

Originally Posted by frankiebones

That's not the issue, not from what they have said. Good hypothesis, but not the issue.

They don't expect the 6MT to sell nearly well enough to develop two drivetrains for it. In many markets (UK for example) they aren't even offering it. They have no concerns about warranty or with clutch dumps at high rpms because they could limit that from happening. The economics of developing two different drivetrains for a "niche" product don't add up. They'll still sell the same amount of cars as well.

They are still getting all the 6MT drivers (myself included) because we have nowhere else to go (I don't even wanna hear the word Cadillac Blackwing, I wouldn't even rent a Cadillac while on vacation at Disney if I could help it).

Many 6MT lunatics are RWD purists (count me in there). If AWD was the only 6MT option, sure, I would buy it. But if I had a choice between RWD or AWD I would choose RWD every time for sportiness and weight savings.

I could not agree with you more!

Sometimes it seems like we get some confused Audi RS buyers in the M3 forums...

[Silber]

Originally Posted by Ag3ofShadows

did you take your video down? it's just bringing me to the YT homepage.

Yeah, BMW NA reached out and requested that I hold off from distributing it further before the 10th. Don't want to cause any issues for my dealer so I've made it private for the time being.

DM me here or on insta if you want to chat about it further.

[rideontwo]

Originally Posted by Silber

Yeah, BMW NA reached out and requested that I hold off from distributing it further before the 10th. Don't want to cause any issues for my dealer so I've made it private for the time being.

DM me here or on insta if you want to chat about it further.

No kidding. They are really sticking to their guns on that date huh. 9 days away.. It's not like it 9 months.

[Bahamut]

I definitely appreciate the grip and stability of AWD, but I feel more rewarded at the same cornering speeds with a manual transmission and a RWD setup. Considering the new car options of today, the g80 is quite the compelling option to get

[zamboni]

Originally Posted by frankiebones

That's not the issue, not from what they have said. Good hypothesis, but not the issue.

They don't expect the 6MT to sell nearly well enough to develop two drivetrains for it. In many markets (UK for example) they aren't even offering it. They have no concerns about warranty or with clutch dumps at high rpms because they could limit that from happening. The economics of developing two different drivetrains for a "niche" product don't add up. They'll still sell the same amount of cars as well.

They are still getting all the 6MT drivers (myself included) because we have nowhere else to go (I don't even wanna hear the word Cadillac Blackwing, I wouldn't even rent a Cadillac while on vacation at Disney if I could help it).

Many 6MT lunatics are RWD purists (count me in there). If AWD was the only 6MT option, sure, I would buy it. But if I had a choice between RWD or AWD I would choose RWD every time for sportiness and weight savings.

Other choice is Porsche GT4 and 911 GT3 both offered in MT.

[solstice]

Originally Posted by frankiebones

They've not appealing cars on any level. We do many things well in this country but building performance cars capable of turning at speeds in excess of 60 mph isn't one of them.

I remember when I inspected one of the first produced Tesla Model S and wrote here that it’s the only modern American car I felt we can be truly proud over. I just wish I had trusted my gut and spent all my cash on the stock

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by zamboni

Other choice is Porsche GT4 and 911 GT3 both offered in MT.

Not even in the same galaxy with regards to price.

[pcai]

Originally Posted by snareman

I second the idea of the ASD. I thought my F82 sounded amazing and was staring at people I was driving by thinking they were hearing the same amazing only to realize it was essentially all in my head. The engines do sound nice, but it's a bit of augmented reality inside the car. The idea of being able to turn it on and off though is nice.

But the thing is the exhaust button inside the car controls ASD, valves, and burble tune together, so if you turn ASD off by pressing the exhaust, button, your valves get closed and burble tune also gets disabled (regardless of engine mode) which is a big no-no. So, you would have to turn to coding or physically disabling ASD if you just want ASD off.

[pcai]

Originally Posted by art unique

Havn't seen a car without one but they are getting shorter throughout the years. What used to be 2k miles is now 500 miles

1200 miles.

[basscadet]

Originally Posted by solstice

I remember when I inspected one of the first produced Tesla Model S and wrote here that it’s the only modern American car I felt we can be truly proud over. I just wish I had trusted my gut and spent all my cash on the stock

Wait - you said that about the Model S?

My reaction was quite different - I thought it was (and still is) the absolutely lowest quality car I have ever sat in and driven that isn't an economy car/rental car.