01-28-2019, 10:45 PM | #111 |
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Same here! If comp m3 isnt offered in manual + awd its a dealbreaker for me, especially if it nears 100k. At that point id rather go porsche 911 992 gts and spare myself the absurd depreciation, plus have an EVEN MORE iconic car than the m3
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01-28-2019, 10:54 PM | #112 |
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Slowly closing in on 911 territory, 20% increase is pretty substantial. Next time around will require quite a bit of shopping other products, unless I cherry pick an F80-82. Decisions.....
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01-28-2019, 11:03 PM | #113 |
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Even the M-class cars are having the 6MT limited... going to miss the prospect of a new M4 or Base 4-series 2DR coupe with a 6MT...
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01-28-2019, 11:51 PM | #114 |
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I like this whole idea. It makes my next car purchase substantially easier. I won't buy a sports car/performance oriented car without a manual transmission. And I won't buy it unless it's an honest effort by the manufacturer to give me what I want. So I will be driving a Porsche in place of any new M product. I love my M2 Competition though
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01-29-2019, 12:58 AM | #115 |
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1) what are the benefits and down sides to manual
2) the AWD version has the ability to switch to RWD. in this case what are the benefits and down sides to AWD? thanks |
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If you pay attention to some of the so-called "car fans videos" posted here and there, you'll find, in fact, sponsored vids with older M3s driven along same age 911s. Saw one with a 2002 along with an early gen 911, both red, one after another, at an event. This is pure integrated marketing. More than anything, I don't quite understand why BMW hasn't started earlier with a more diverse M3 offering. So, basically, Merc started with Black Series models after they saw how successful was the modern M3 CSL. But you simply cannot compare a CLK DTM AMG with its E46 counterpart. Hah. Later edit: CLK DTM instead CLK GTR Last edited by b.oom; 01-29-2019 at 09:55 AM.. |
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Manual Downsides: slower shifting, can't drink your latte while heel-toeing, traffic woes 2) AWD Benefits: Faster 0-60, extra grip to accelerate sooner in cornering, wet performance, forgivable driving characteristics AWD Downsides: Heavier, not as easy to maintain a "drift", more understeer, slightly more drivetrain loss of power. The G80 will be interesting. 2020 is just in time for me to consider another M3 in 2021 when hopefully it will get more refined.
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01-29-2019, 03:02 AM | #119 |
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Having gone through 3 iterations of the F8x M3/4 I’m keen to not make the same move next time round. I absolutely love the pared back nature of the M4CS and the idea of the pure M4 really appeals. Having had 2 DCT M3’s (non comp and comp) I’d have gone for 6MT in the CS, just to have a completely different driving experience.
I’m not going to say 6MT is necessarily better or worse, but it’s become almost a novelty nowadays in a performance car to change your own gears, and I definately fancy it next time. The 18/19” wheels concerns me, as this size would likely mean no optional CCB with 18’s. |
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Don't mind the pure has less hp if it's more useable all the time with rwd and hopefully lower weight, though I don't ever see bmw going GT3 RS route
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An M car is set up for tracking, and why would you want power you can't use and suspension that transfers bumps to your back? |
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Thé M cars do seem to match up with Porsche's nomenclature though. Base-Base S- Competition 911 T - Pure 911 GTS - CS CSL and the rest differ though. 911s go way up in power BMWs don't. BMWs also aren't really competing directly anyway. Who cross shops a 3800 lb 4 door with a 2+2 at 3k lbs? Also the Turbo is a GT car. Not set up to track at all. No BMW parallel unless you count M5 I suppose |
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01-29-2019, 06:57 AM | #125 |
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444hp Pure should come with Hydraulic Steering....that will be real Pure!
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01-29-2019, 07:00 AM | #126 |
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What do you mean they are trying to phase them out?
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01-29-2019, 07:37 AM | #129 |
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This whole lower hp for the manual because they don't have a unit capable is complete bs. My F10 has 560HP and 500lb-ft and it was a manual. Hell my old GT500 had 660HP and it was fine. The tires were shot but who cares. Isn't there a manual Hellcat? Shieeeeet...
From Top Speed "What's clear is that the faster, winged and roll-caged versions of the M3 and M4 like the CS and (if rumors prove to be correct) the CSL won't get a manual simply because BMW does not have a manual that can cope with over 480 pound-feet of torque that the super-fast versions will unarguably put out." |
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Imagine this dick move from bmw:
Sells S55 in pure for 2 model years; emissions get stricter and they drop a S58 into the pure later. Won't be the first time for BMW |
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