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Pathetic defence of weight gain, why didn't they compere like for like, manual vs manual, my guess is that with standard spec on both cars there's a 150kg difference. Pathetic...
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I would never buy the last year model because it's outdated right away (looks, tech, performance) and then the new model comes out. I typically like buying the 2nd year model because the car would be fairly new in the market and some issues would've likely been identified & resolved, plus you get some chance to negotiate a better deal. Others like to buy as soon as the LCI model comes out for obvious reasons. This time I'm going with the AWD version which will be 2022 (technical 2nd year model) but effectively speaking it is the 1st year model. I'm not waiting any longer so I'll take the risk and pay close to MSRP.
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Yesterday on the school run my 2 boys 12/14yr saw the first base specced 4 series in cross traffic. Both expressed their repulsion spontanuously: "WTF, is that thing a BMW?". While children just speak their mind, adults are inclined to rationalise and contemplate about it. Have to add, the base spec with tiny 17 inch rims and the chrome grill, is probably not the best guise. |
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Also prepare for their video still to be released where they will explain the smaller front wheels vs rear, providing the opportunity for a significant 'higher' tire providing a more progressive turn in and make it less sensitive to directional jerk. Also the wider front track will help clearly to build more directional prowess. Damn, I hope I'am not converting to a fan already, reading my own post. |
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What happens in Europe now, will hit fast in US the coming few years. I'am afraid that resale value will be dreadful. This is certainly the last none electric assisted M. |
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When you're driving GT races, you probably don't want it, but when you're a casual track hero, I understand why a more front end biased config makes sense. |
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The issue is the weight of the G8X AWD by considering the weight of the G82 manual in the OP’s video. We cannot assume that the G82 in the video is configured for the US market. G82 can be packaged differently or not packaged for different markets. We do not know what the specs are for the G82 or for the F82 in the video. Do we know for a fact that the differences between the G82 manual in the video and the G82 AWD (configured as the F82 in the video) are only the ZCP and seats? From the exchanges above between you and CanAutM3, there are differences in the weights of both your existing M3 CSs which you appeared not to be able to account for mathematically. Do you think the weight of the production G8X AWD (which is not even available) can be computed mathematically when we do not know what specs are for the G82 manual in the video, and also compared with the F82 (specs of which are not made known) in the video? Why can't BMW just tell us eg the actual specs of the G82 in the video, weight of a fully loaded one and/or compare it with a similarly equipped F82? It is not my statement; it is quoted from BMWblog, as shown in the link posted. Presumably, it should read as “the heaviest F82 BMW could lay its hands on for the video”.
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For sure it is. As I stated, the closest the CG to rear axle, the better (up to a certain limit naturally) and every % counts.
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Yes, I believe they had to invest additional effort on the front axle to offset the greater front weight bias which creates more understeer. I also believe the staggered diameter rims is for the same purpose. I guess we’ll find out soon enough.
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I can't speak to CanAut's car. I've stated my conditions when my car was weighed on corner balancing scales: completely full tank and completely oem. I don't recall discussing the weight of the AWD G8X at any point. That car isn't coming out as a 2021 model. We can be quite sure it will weigh a good amount more than the RWD G8X car. The people clamoring for lightweight AWD cars seem to not understand that AWD hardware adds a significant amount of weight to any car. It's been like this since the beginning of time, not sure why it seems like a surprise. There is no 'apples to apples' comparison of a AWD G8X to a RWD F8X because they are two different systems. We don't know the spec of the F82 in the video but I know the spec of my CS, which is heavier than the video F82 despite having a CF hood, no center console and a cf prop shaft. Options I have are HK sound and the executive package. The assumption is quite reasonable, unless I'm doing the equivalent of playing chess with a pigeon and have to stop wasting time answering. Finally, if you don't mind, I'll take euro weights which are legally homologated in europe, from a european mag not associated with BMW a million times over 'bmwblog', which does not need to worry about homologated weights. Wasn't bmwblog the website that said the F8X weighed 3400lb? |
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BMW showed a (homologated) DIN weight of 1,497kg/3,300lb for the F82 in its original press release
As I stated earlier, DIN are not all hold and behold either: a good reference point but not an absolute. Just options can make weights vary by 60kg+. The DIN weight standards were also revised somewhere around 2016, which makes it more difficult to do direct comparisons.
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When Audi took out the RS4 they also stated a DIN weight of like 3500lb which was later corrected to its real weight. That's fine. Mistakes certainly happen. I'm using the DIN weight to compare options like 6MT vs 8AT, G82 vs G80, etc. The G8X weight I'm taking straight from the video. In the case of the F8X the DIN weight seems to match up quite nicely with my car. The G8X BMW weighed was on corner scales, like my car, so unless gravity was reversed or HK speakers weigh 50lb and my CF hood, prop shaft and no center console add up to nothing, I feel we have a good proxy for its weight. I'm more than happy to bet that the G8X RWD is not going to gain 250lb more than my CS, more or less apples to apples comparison between them [midpoint of the 200-300lb range you mentioned earlier] The constant comments of 'we don't know what the options of the G8X are' are beating a dead horse. It may or may not have HK because we don't know if that's standard in Germany. Their mention of 'lightweight build' tell me no Exec package. Still, we do know my options and my car was weighed the same way that car was weighed. |
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The more powerful comparison to do is that my F80 CS weighs more than the F82 they have in the video despite weight saving measures my car has over the F82, so they did not pick the heaviest F82. If my F80 CS weighs 3657lb then an F80 non CS should weigh more. HK was standard on all cars after the first or first few production years. I have the exec package which is not standard on any F80 and adds weight for sure, but then I have other things which reduce weight vs a regular F80: -Lighter wheels than the ZCP ones (IIRC) -No center console -CF hood -CF propshaft -No comfort access (std on all US cars after a few years) How much is all of that worth? I don't know, but it should be enough to compensate for my exec package. Versus that, the G80 model weight can be analyzed without too much difficulty based on the video. Initially I was looking at DIN weights for the G8X and almost had a heart attack as per DIN weights there is a 320lb difference between my CS and the G80 8AT. |
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"So when equipped with an automatic and all-wheel drive, the new BMW M3 and M4 tip the scales dangerously close to 1,800 kg (4,000-ish lbs)." https://www.bmwblog.com/2021/01/12/u...ing-bmw-m3-m4/ "The G82 BMW M4 used in this video was the lightest possible M4 possible, being a manual, rear-wheel drive car. When equipped with the eight-speed automatic gearbox, all-wheel drive and the standard seats, the G82 M4 gets actually crests just north of the 1,800-ish (4,000 lb) mark. So, yes, the manual M4 is barely heavier than the old M4 and that’s very good, if properly equipped. But the majority of M3 and M4 customers will get the auto/all-wheel drive car and those cars are significantly heavier (some markets, such as the UK, will only be getting those versions for now)." https://www.bmwblog.com/2021/01/11/g82-bmw-m4-heavier/
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