[WWM3]

Originally Posted by OSee

Aw yes, the pandemic. Which according to the grill haters is simultaneously responsible for the record breaking Q1 sales largely driven by the m440i..AND will also be the scapegoat for this imaginary sales slump driven by the G80/G82.

Maybe buy yourself a 4 banger C63?

1Q sales growth was primarily driven by the X models, which made up over half of the quarterly sales. The M440i was a driver of growth in the performance segment.

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by OSee

What are you even talking about?

I'm a 40 year old Director at a Fortune 200 SAAS company. I have discerning tastes. This will be my 3rd //M, 5th BMW when you count the 2 for wifey and I've had the pleasure of owning 4 AMG 55/63 before it. I dont want this to turn into a manhood measuring contest but you seem to be under the impression that anyone who buys this car is not a 'true' BMW fan or is some kid graduating up from a Honda Civic. Plenty of guys on here on their umpteenth //M car buying the G8X. Hell, someone traded a F90 LCI for it and looks pretty happy.

Is it the pinnacle of exterior design? No. But neither was the hindside of my last BMW, the M2.

Stop gatekeeping.

+1

It's crazy the assumptions people make just because a person likes the G8X. It's like....Democrat level intolerance. I can understand that some people don't like the new design language, but there's no need to berate those who do.

[KevinGS]

Originally Posted by OSee

Plenty of guys on here on their umpteenth //M car buying the G8X. Hell, someone traded a F90 LCI for it and looks pretty happy.

Is it the pinnacle of exterior design? No. But neither was the hindside of my last BMW, the M2.

My friend will be keeping his F90 for the next few years, but even he admits it can be quite boring at times, and there are times on the street when it's just too fast for it's own good. You don't encounter enough super cars to truly appreciate how fast the car is...and most everything else simply gets left in its wake.

Yet, it's not all that fun to push down a country road either, because of it's stature and simple, point and shoot nature from turn to turn. It just gets old, quickly...almost video-gamish.

And, it doesn't look all that different from a standard 5-series, so it often goes unnoticed.

But for a torpedo-fast executive transport, it's hard to beat.

So, he's eyeing the G8X closely, waiting to see what the LCI brings. He admittedly is still trying to get used to the nose. Thus, he's also eyeing the new E63 (though that's even MORE plain Jane than the M5). The G8X already seems more "exciting" than his M5 given its outrageous, unmistakable design, coupled with drift modes aplenty.

Like OSee said, no, it will never be the pinnacle of M designs, but only a few M's have ever been that (and most Bimmer heads debate their favorite designs across the years based on a multitude of reasons).

And like that M2 which looks like it's wearing a diaper underneath from the rear ...I think the G8X suffers from that same flaw. I see too much metal underneath, spilling down past the diffuser. So one of my first mods will be to paint the large muffler can black. I hate that look on the M2, and I hate it on the G8X as well. BMW should be finding better ways to hide all that metal, since it's just one big hunk of steel. If it were actually two separate muffler chambers, I'd be OK with it...but that single chunky block hanging down below the diffuser makes me

Come on, BMW, you know that sh@#! don't look right.

[TrentMeister]

Originally Posted by tszene

I believe you missed the point completely. I'm referring to the sales of the actual "M" cars, not the PG version 440i m. And again, in case you were distracted by a shiny object, it was about the way it looks.

What I'm also saying is that the brand no longer stands for what is used to. It used to hit the sweet spot of being powerful, manual, pretty and was value. The manual piece is still true, its not more powerful weight/Hp than the f82, it's 8k more so it's not the cheapest car available. But all that I could get past. What I can't, is that it's butt ugly. That's all.

Look, we old farts understand that the next generation finally had their balls drop, got their Licence and want to play hard. And me and the rest of the Bmw community are all excited for you!
What my message was about was the pedigree of the letter "M" and what it used to mean compared to what it means now. Don't take it personally, just because you joined the party when all the pretty and smart girls already left. You will still get lucky, but the rest of have higher standards. That's all. Enjoy your g80.

And rather than continuing this rebuttal of silliness, I just want you to tell me that this car is beautiful. And if you can tell me that honestly, that you think this car is the pinnacle of Bmw design, I rest my case as the beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
So is it?

It may not be "pretty"

But it is badass, mean, and aggressive.

My girlfriend is young, pretty, and smart.

She says it looks classier than my buddies f82 and my previous f87.

You and your wife on the other hand as you've implied are old.

My dealer sold 3 on a Monday.

Get off your high horse and try to be a little based with your opinions.

Especially since bmw developed the ultimate inline 6(1k hp with stock bottom end)for this platform and offered an updated manual to us.

Not to be rude but I've got to match your level of enthusiasm here.

[02M3ForMe]

The way this car drives, there’s no way it’s going to flop regardless of how it looks.

[PLF69]

Originally Posted by 02M3ForMe

The way this car drives, there's no way it's going to flop regardless of how it looks.

After driving one today I can attest, I even ordered one straight away.

[02M3ForMe]

Originally Posted by PLF69

After driving one today I can attest, I even ordered one straight away.

Same. I drove 2 hours to test drive and get it out of my system, thinking I’d like it but be happier with the M2C’s size and agility. Instead, it became all I could think about until I owned one two weeks later when an appropriate build on the way was found.

[PVC]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

+1

It's crazy the assumptions people make just because a person likes the G8X. It's like....Democrat level intolerance. I can understand that some people don't like the new design language, but there's no need to berate those who do.

I am not sure why you have to inject politics into this. There are plenty of idiots on both sides.

[seis-speed]

Saw it in person:

It think you can like the car and buy and at the same time not like the grilles. Overall package > dislike of new grille design.

I went and saw one and the dealer asked me what I thought? I said “I like it it, looks aggressive much better in person, just waiting on a base allocation”. They then asked what I thought about the grilles....and I said “I will never be a fan, I don’t really like them, but it would not keep me from buying, very cool car”.

You do not have to love every aspect of a car to like or buy it, in person the grilles are less in your face because you are taking in all the other aggressive bits: wheels, roof, mirrors, width, fenders, you look at the entire package of the car (sum of its parts) if you will. I give BMW credit for carbon buckets and a manual transmission more so than I discredit them for the grille design. This is a great car when you sit back and think about the entire package.

[SCOTT26]

Driving the M3 Competition. My neighbours love it. One says it elevates M3 from 3er adding significant aggression. Says M cars are normally too gentlemanly. Says this one is Punk!

[XutvJet]

I'm not overly disgusted by the grilles. My issue is with:

- The M3's non-existent attempt at blending in the rear fender flares to the rear doors

- The fact that the M4 looks like the ugly love child of a current gen Mustang and prior gen Honda Accord. It looks NOTHING like a BMW in side or rear profile.

- Gone is the BMWness in the way the wheel arches wrap themselves around the tires/wheels on both cars. It now looks very conservative and Asian like in styling.

- The general tacked on exterior look. I'm talking about the chintzy diffusers on both cars the overly large exhaust tips. The gloss black lower body work which makes the cars look like they're 2" higher off the ground than they really are. It's trying way too hard, much like the new Supra. Everything needs to be dialed from "11" down to 8 or 9.


IMO, both these cars look best in black or deep gray which hide many of their styling issues. I have hard time seeing that this gen M3/4 will go down as one of BMW's better designs. I personally think sales will tank badly after year one and the there will be an emergency restyle. I don't blame anyone for liking the design though. Everyone has different tastes.

[snareman]

Originally Posted by XutvJet

I'm not overly disgusted by the grilles. My issue is with:

- The M3's non-existent attempt at blending in the rear fender flares to the rear doors

- The fact that the M4 looks like the ugly love child of a current gen Mustang and prior gen Honda Accord. It looks NOTHING like a BMW in side or rear profile.

- Gone is the BMWness in the way the wheel arches wrap themselves around the tires/wheels on both cars. It now looks very conservative and Asian like in styling.

- The general tacked on exterior look. I'm talking about the chintzy diffusers on both cars the overly large exhaust tips. The gloss black lower body work which makes the cars look like they're 2" higher off the ground than they really are. It's trying way too hard, much like the new Supra. Everything needs to be dialed from "11" down to 8 or 9.


IMO, both these cars look best in black or deep gray which hide many of their styling issues. I have hard time seeing that this gen M3/4 will go down as one of BMW's better designs. I personally think sales will tank badly after year one and the there will be an emergency restyle. I don't blame anyone for liking the design though. Everyone has different tastes.

it seems like half the crowd loves that aspect of the car and 25% hate it. Not sure where the other 25% goes. I was never very good at math...

[OSee]

Originally Posted by snareman

it seems like half the crowd loves that aspect of the car and 25% hate it. Not sure where the other 25% goes. I was never very good at math...

And the 25% that hate it fail to see the same design cue/flaw (depending on your perspective) in the F80.

[Eddien123]

Well I don't know about you but I'm in my mid 20s. Now able to purchase an m3/4 and I 100% will not be because of the design. So perhaps they know more than me but they certainly lost me as a customer.

[G80turtle]

I have been reading everybody's post and I just rejoined the forum today but I have been a member since 2005.

I would like to say as an owner of an e46 m3 show car/ track car and being a big advocate for the traditionally style grill. After seeing a new G80 M3 in person it makes sense. When you put a new G80 m3 next to an F90 the F90 just looks very dated.

I am happy to say I am a new owner of the new G80 M3.

I would also like to leave you guys with this.

It is normal for people to not like change but that doesn't mean the change is bad. it just takes us a while to come around.

[TrentMeister]

Originally Posted by Eddien123

Well I don't know about you but I'm in my mid 20s. Now able to purchase an m3/4 and I 100% will not be because of the design. So perhaps they know more than me but they certainly lost me as a customer.

Im 27 and bought it.

[Eddien123]

Originally Posted by LBbluem2

Im 27 and bought it.

I can probably get on board with the m3. I believe an LCI refresh will help. But the m4 has no redeeming qualities in its design whatsoever except it's interior and the rear. Side profile is soft and has no character. Front is horrible. Flares aren't even visible especially in pictures. Just a bad looking car. G80 side and rear is very nice.

[TrentMeister]

Originally Posted by Eddien123

I can probably get on board with the m3. I believe an LCI refresh will help. But the m4 has no redeeming qualities in its design whatsoever except it's interior and the rear. Side profile is soft and has no character. Front is horrible. Flares aren't even visible especially in pictures. Just a bad looking car. G80 side and rear is very nice.

Na it's better looking than the m3.

It looks lower and more aggressive and has more arch than the m3 with sharper lines throughout.

But we both are just sharing our opinions.

Everywhere I go people surround this thing and talk about how awesome it is.. obviously not forum fanboys but real world people.

Regular people especially think the front looks cool.

Quote from when I asked someone what they thought about it

"I think the front is cooler than the back"

Go figure.

[jkap27]

Originally Posted by LBbluem2

Na it's better looking than the m3.

It looks lower and more aggressive and has more arch than the m3 with sharper lines throughout.

But we both are just sharing our opinions.

Everywhere I go people surround this thing and talk about how awesome it is.. obviously not forum fanboys but real world people.

Regular people especially think the front looks cool.

Quote from when I asked someone what they thought about it

"I think the front is cooler than the back"

Go figure.

Lots of the issues are with the photos themselves I think. It's probably harder to spot the rear fender flare on the M4 in photos. The non metallic launch color also doesn't do the lines any favors in photos. Any time someone says the m4 looks flat I'm a little perplexed lol seeing as the majority of the outrage in general is the car abandoning its classic look lol

[XutvJet]

Originally Posted by LBbluem2

Na it's better looking than the m3.

It looks lower and more aggressive and has more arch than the m3 with sharper lines throughout.

But we both are just sharing our opinions.

Everywhere I go people surround this thing and talk about how awesome it is.. obviously not forum fanboys but real world people.

Regular people especially think the front looks cool.

Quote from when I asked someone what they thought about it

"I think the front is cooler than the back"

Go figure.

A lot of real world and regular people buy beige Camrys or Battlestar Galatica Cylon-styled Lexus products too

I've seen the new M4 in person. Save for the front end, the design is woefully tame except for the front end. It looks nothing like a BMW product from the side or rear. I think they made the rear BMW badge extra large just to make sure people know it's a BMW.

[TrentMeister]

Originally Posted by XutvJet

A lot of real world and regular people buy beige Camrys or Battlestar Galatica Cylon-styled Lexus products too

I've seen the new M4 in person. Save for the front end, the design is woefully tame except for the front end. It looks nothing like a BMW product from the side or rear. I think they made the rear BMW badge extra large just to make sure people know it's a BMW.

I love mine and I think it looks sick.

I will admit I think the frozen white really defines the car quite a bit.

The dravit grey car that was also on the lot looked pretty bland.

But to say a rear end sporting 102mm exhaust tips looks tame is setting a very high bar.

If you don't like dont buy.

I can afford it and I wanted it and I will proceed to gap f8x cars with it.

[dialogical]

Originally Posted by LBbluem2

I love mine and I think it looks sick.

I will admit I think the frozen white really defines the car quite a bit.

The dravit grey car that was also on the lot looked pretty bland.

But to say a rear end sporting 102mm exhaust tips looks tame is setting a very high bar.

If you don't like dont buy.

I can afford it and I wanted it and I will proceed to gap f8x cars with it.

Amen to this.

Agreed - I have a strange fascination with big exhaust tips and the ones on the G80 really do it for me.